Bernie's Promise to Bankrupt Health Insurance with Berniecare

It's difficult to see benefits through clouds of fear. I work in the I.T. world, and have been in the Insurance field. As such, half of the people I work with are foreign. Half of those are from South-Asia, and the other half are from European countries. The conversation arises all the time.

Speaking to actual people who are from those countries (Not people who wander around and have "international" healthcare), I have heard the same data that is called "BS" here. No citizen has to pay for basic healthcare. And large surgeries such as Brain-Surgery (and all the fixin's that go with it like follow up visits and such) ends up costing in the mid 4-digits, not the 5, 6, or 7 digits. And with those ~$7k large costs, they can go on xx-year payment plans that cost less than insurance in the U.S.

I just had a baby and was charged over $12,000. $5,000 out of pocket.

I just went for a routine doctor visit and had to pay $30 CoPay... then 3 months later got a bill for $250... that happened 4 times in the year, and I have a $1,000 bill on my desk right now.

I am certainly voting for Bernie if given the chance. Who, by the way, is as socialist as anybody who enjoys the most Schools, Police/Fire Departments, and other socialist services. It's called Democratic Socialist because not everybody gets baseline equal treatment. You still have competition based on your actual skills and experience. You just don't get a free ride because you fell into a sales monarchy like we see passed down to families and friends in all industries of the world.

Yes I'd like to bankrupt the current system of health care in the US. Not only that, but if we could bankrupt the car sales industry, that would be great too. Not because I'm a socialist (Which I'm not), but because Sales-Industries are Far-Removed from the products they sell. Doctors don't get paid extra because of Insurance-Salesmen. And Car-Companies don't get paid extra because of Car-Sales. They are middle-man jobs who have gone out of control in the U.S. and don't benefit anything in the economy other than the people in the job (Sorry to them.)

In the last 30 years, we have come to a point where the Middle-Man is not required. We can go directly to Ford, or to the Doctor, and receive services for cheap. Having been a successful car salesman, I can tell you that I have sold *new* cars for $35,000 that actually cost the dealership $13,000 to get directly from the manufacturer. That's such bullshit (and why I left). I also did Healthcare sales and Life-Insurance sales. It was all bullshit, and you all know it.

My damn doctor bill for having the baby was like $2,000. The rest went to the insurance company. WTF is that? I ended up paying $5,000 out of pocket for something that would have cost $2,000 out of pocket had it not been for Insurance.

Bankrupt all middleman sales, and find a way to make actual productive jobs. Not that I want you to be out of work, but because you are surely skilled in many ways to offer real benefit to the country. If all you know how to do is sell Insurance, go back to school and learn an I.T. field.

Same thing with Middle-Management. Lol, gtfo.
 
A lot of people I know are saying they're going to vote for Bernie - it wouldn't surprise me if he actually won. I guess the question he's not able to answer is what happens if you follow his plan for healthcare (which accounts for about 18% of the GDP in this country . . . .) economically what replaces that?
 
Watched the dem town hall the other day. he wants to eliminate:

Insurance companies
Oil companies
Wall Street

Too bad they can't equate, nor did anyone town hall member ask, the number of lost jobs because of his hatred for certain industries.
 
watched the dem town hall the other day. He wants to eliminate:

Insurance companies
oil companies
wall street

too bad they can't equate, nor did anyone town hall member ask, the number of lost jobs because of his hatred for certain industries.

right???? Uhg.
 
I believe we are heading towards a one payer system in the next 3-5 years. CMS runs Medicare and Medicare Advantage and this Obamacare market. I believe that Obamacare was never designed to succeed but only be a stepping stone to a nationalized government run health care system. I cannot however see how we can let our big insurance carriers like BCBS, UHC, AETNA, Ect fail. I think we will be bailing them out like we did the auto manufactures a few years ago. I think they will soon all be under government contracts (like the military) to supply and run networks and plan operations. I can see a future where we are all taxed for Healthcare but still have to buy a supplement to cover what our government plan does not. I plan on having to turn my book at least one more time. For those who can withstand the turmoil there will plenty of opportunity. There is a ton of opportunity right now but it is hard to invest so much energy when the future is uncertain that's for sure.
They are already taxing the premiums!:mad:
 
Watched the dem town hall the other day. he wants to eliminate:

Insurance companies
Oil companies
Wall Street

Too bad they can't equate, nor did anyone town hall member ask, the number of lost jobs because of his hatred for certain industries.


Well, when you look at the healthcare sector, once you eliminate insurance companies - then you have to have mechanisms to control costs of delivering care. Just as Medicare has a very low "allowable" rate for services, you'd also have to put doctors on low salaries, just like they do in countries where they have "National" healthcare. So, large "for profit" hospitals, doctors with smaller practices, specialists, etc. would have to meet these stringent government requirements, which are all costly just to monitor. How's that going to fly?

In addition to that, when your read about the economic impact of this type of program, you find information dating back to the 90s about how the European countries are struggling to deliver services, and continually bludgeoning the budget directed toward providing these services. . . . .

Once all these sectors lose their jobs, how will they collect the high amount of taxes required to support such systems? . . .
 
Make no mistake, The Dems are in bed with big business as much as the Repubs.

The DNC will never allow Bernie Sanders, an admitted socialist to be there nominee.

The real questions is what Trumpcare will look like....:D
 
The individual & small group health insurance markets are already trashed.

Insurance companies don't control claims. They can't else we wouldn't have had a 10% trend for the last 25 yrs or longer.

We have the best government money can buy. Why else would a 30 yr old drug with only minor changes allowing it to still be covered under patents cost $170/month?

On the other side, a surgeon told me that the Medicare portion going to a Doc for installing a hip is ~$1,000. He has to pay his people out of that and provide 3 months of follow up service. Hip surgery is upwards of $50,000. Good thing he charges $100 for each visit when making his hospital rounds.

The right has gone off the deep end as has the left. I'm taking my USD to Mexico to live holed up in a resort on the coast. Hopefully the cartel will leave me alone.
 
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