4 Years Later, You guys were right

Ouch.

Have you gone Indy since then?
Oh yes I was forced to sign the sales contract. I now have my own agency since May. I did get a lawyer and he is going to review my contract and the situation to see what legal grounds we have.
UHC would be a no. They do not offer AOR you could never transfer the Med Supps. You could rewrite the MAPD during AEP-if they want to change their plan... I left a 20 year exclusive P&C agent career behind 16 months ago and had a one year non-compete. (I was paid a years commissions on those policies as I left). I couldn't move those people for a year, and the agent you referred to, could be in hot water if he takes his clients back too soon.
UHC and all my other carriers did allow the book transfer with the purchase agreement.

She knew I couldn't afford a lawyer to review the contract (my son was in a really bad dirt bike accident July 2023 and with his TBI I was financially supporting him at the time). My mom was also going through cancer treatments at the time and my best friends mother had just died suddenly so I was beyond distracted.

It was basically sign or I was unemployed and my clients had no where to go. She knew my clients mean the world to me. I left my last job and took an almost $17,000 pay cut so I could continue to help them because the hospital I worked for now longer wanted to offer SHIP or patient assistance since it didn't bring in any money.

Turns out she has also not fully disclosed compensation she was getting paid for me. Certain carriers didn't allow me access to commission statements so I had to trust that she was reporting the commission correctly. So far I have found $46 a month she had been collecting for Delta Dental and not reporting to me, $20.17 for a UHC supp that for some reason wasn't transferred when she made the switch to an LLC back in 2022. I had access to the commission till the end of 2022 but then I couldn't login any longer and assumed the commission had stopped, nope she just stopped telling me about it (she knew it belonged to me because she had no business with UHC and wasn't even contracted with them). This seems like small amounts which it is but it has me questioning how much other compensation did she not disclose.

She threatened to withhold more compensation which is what ultimately led to me investigating. Turns out she also didn't pay me my last pay and instead used my earned time and cashed out the remainder. My brother in-law had committed suicide the weekend I got that pay and I never thought to check my stub till I started calculating what she had paid me in base verses what she forced me to buy it for.

I was not provided any leads, I paid 95% of my own marketing expenses, bought office equipment, paid half on some of the utilities like our VOIP phones because we only needed to change to it because of call recording. She didn't sell MAPD or PDP so it wasn't something she needed. I spent thousands of my own money supporting my business because it was supposed to be my business.

I initially justified having to buy it because she gave me a base pay but that was until I started looking at what she actually paid me. I do have time sheets documenting some of overtime I was never compensated for (also part of the verbal agreement because I wasn't asking for overtime pay since I was building what I thought was a book that would be signed over).

I meet with a lawyer on the 21st to go over everything but based on what I have explained to him he feels I may have a strong case against her. So until my appointment I am going to keep gathering evidence. The state labor board also may end up getting involved because of the missing compensation since I wasn't paid all of the hours I worked, was never paid overtime and was not paid the states minimum salary to exempt me from overtime. If I am going to be forced to pay her for my books she will be forced to compensate me for all of the hours I worked (which may end up being more than what she valued my book at based on Maine allowing for 3x the wages for unpaid hours and fines).

I made this post as a cautionary tale for other newbies. I also carried it over into my agency. I am going to have a legal document drawn up so that my employees know that I won't do this to them. I am also not allowing them to pay for any supplies or put any money into the business. I give a very generous base pay for our area $20/hr and once licensed they will get commission splits. I plan to do a 50/50 on any clients they bring in.

I pay for STD, LTD, ADD, and Life for them, offer a simple IRA with a 3% match. I am paying their portion of our states new FMLA withholding. I pay all continuing ed and licensing fees. I do quarterly employee bonuses. I take them on employee work trips (they are coming with me this year to Vegas for Medicarians and we are staying a few extra days for a mini team building vaca). I also offer every federal holiday paid but if they choose to work it like veterans day they get those hours for vacation time. I give unlimited sick time, offer flexible schedules, allow them to bring their kiddos if something comes up like daycare/school being closed, and allow them to work from home when needed. They get two full weeks of vacation which will grow based on the number of years they remain with me. I am also planning on an incentive cruise based on sales goals this year for them and their entire family in 2026. My employees know I have their back 💯.
 
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I was forced into the purchase agreement and had to buy my books for more than $30k more than she ever paid me in wages.

We weren't friends before I started with her just colleagues but I trusted her.

There was no non-compete but my carriers wouldn't sign over my books without the sales agreement even though I was listed as the principal.
Rule #1 in this biz is trust no one
Rule #2 proven fact is your upline fmo ga or any one else involved in your money 💰 will screw you if it means their money will be impacted
Rule #3 is other agents are not your friends , I have no friends in the insurance biz and I don't want any
 
Rule #1 in this biz is trust no one
Rule #2 proven fact is your upline fmo ga or any one else involved in your money 💰 will screw you if it means their money will be impacted
Rule #3 is other agents are not your friends , I have no friends in the insurance biz and I don't want any
Wow, it looks like you really have been screwed if you want to paint with such a broad brush.
 
IDK if your attorney is versed in labor law or not, but ask about paying you less than min wage and no OT. That could run her afoul of state labor laws.

Just saw this in your post . . .
He is versed in labor laws and I literally have pay stubs showing the hours and lack there of pay, I have witnesses that will attest to the fact that during AEP I worked 50-60 hours some weeks.

I have to share the good news. I busted my @$$ after taking over and grew the agency by over $100k. Turns out she was the thing holding me back. I Brought on a tax professional to offer taxes and retirement planning, I have an assistant currently studying to get licensed, and I got licensed non-resident in 5 states that my clients have either moved to or have family in as they all want my assistance.

Once my assistant is licensed I plan to focus more on expanding and have her focus more on the ACA and our ME clients.

Oh and I launched a charitable foundation in my mom's honor as this all came about when I asked her to postpone one payment in Dec because I was traveling back and forth to NH over 7 1/2 hours almost every weekend from the Fri before AEP until just before Christmas. So from traveling and helping pay my moms food and medical supplies I was not going to have enough for that one month. All other months were paid a month in advance. She agreed and then just before the start of Jan sent me an email that said we need all future requests in writing if I am not going to stick to the payment schedule and she said she would no longer be crediting any of my commissions paid to her to my promissory and instead planned to keep them. Oh and assess late fees.

I had promised my mom the week before AEP started that if she held on till Jan I would take her on another cruise and guess who just got the greenlight from hospice :) I am also awaiting cardiac surgery while dealing with other families mental health needs and my son is still recovering from a Severe TBI. Yes she is aware of all of this and still sent that email with threats.

I would have happily kept paying the promissory payments because my agency is taking off and never would have looked at anything if she had not sent that email. So her greed is going to come back and bite her in the @$$ and was an eye opener and hopefully huge benefit to me
 
He is versed in labor laws and I literally have pay stubs showing the hours and lack there of pay, I have witnesses that will attest to the fact that during AEP I worked 50-60 hours some weeks.

I have to share the good news. I busted my @$$ after taking over and grew the agency by over $100k. I Brought on a tax professional to offer taxes and retirement planning, I have an assistant currently studying to get licensed, and I got licensed non-resident in 5 states that my clients have either moved to or have family in as they all want my assistance.

Once my assistant is licensed I plan to focus more on expanding and have her focus more on the ACA and our ME clients.

Oh and I launched a charitable foundation in my mom's honor as this all came about when I asked her to postpone one payment in Dec because I was traveling back and forth to NH over 7 1/2 hours almost every weekend from the Fri before AEP until just before Christmas. So from traveling and helping pay my moms food and medical supplies I was not going to have enough for that one month. All other months were paid a month in advance. She agreed and then just before the start of Jan sent me an email that said we need all future requests in writing if I am not going to stick to the payment schedule and she said she would no longer be crediting any of my commissions paid to her to my promissory and instead planned to keep them. Oh and assess late fees.

I had promised my mom the week before AEP started that if she held on till Jan I would take her on another cruise and guess who just got the greenlight from hospice :) I am also awaiting cardiac surgery while dealing with other families mental health needs and my son is still recovering from a Severe TBI. Yes she is aware of all of this and still sent that email with threats.

I would have happily kept paying the promissory payments because my agency is taking off and never would have looked at anything if she had not sent that email. So her greed is going to come back and bite her in the @$$ and was an eye opener and hopefully huge benefit to me
Some of your stuff doesn't make sense to me . Here you were a captive agent for 4 yrs i guess you said . And within 4-5 months of leaving you have several agents under you and giving out 401k's,vacation and sick days .Have an office and staff . I'm sure she didn't release you so that takes 6 months to get a release .
 
Some of your stuff doesn't make sense to me . Here you were a captive agent for 4 yrs i guess you said . And within 4-5 months of leaving you have several agents under you and giving out 401k's,vacation and sick days .Have an office and staff . I'm sure she didn't release you so that takes 6 months to get a release .
Well, If the agency is receiving the commissions and she is now the principal of the agency and she has signed a purchase agreement as requested by the carriers, doesn't that work?

And she worked for 4 years building the business she expected to be signed over to her. That could include getting the agency owner to hire additional employees. And I know from posts she has made before that there was an office she worked on as well to get it functional for the volume of Medicare business she was doing and expected to do.
 
Well, If the agency is receiving the commissions and she is now the principal of the agency and she has signed a purchase agreement as requested by the carriers, doesn't that work?

And she worked for 4 years building the business she expected to be signed over to her. That could include getting the agency owner to hire additional employees. And I know from posts she has made before that there was an office she worked on as well to get it functional for the volume of Medicare business she was doing and expected to do.
Did she buy the whole book and business ? Did the owner retire and she owns the agency ?
 
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