Covid Death Claims.

[Tahoe Ray]

But none of those have been politicized to the extend of the COVID vax. There are places where eating establishments are asking for proof of vaccination. There are employers that are terminating people who are unvaxed. That never happened with the others. There are already those that are wanting to deny health insurance coverage for people who are not vaccinated. Can life be far behind?


New Bill to Strip the Unvaccinated of Health Insurance if They Get Sick, Force Them to Pay Out of Pocket

It didn't happen with the others because they weren't politicized and everyone just got the vaccines.

You need vaccinations to go to school, travel internationally, etc. I don't understand why this is so divisive.

 

[Tahoe Ray]

About 30 years ago when the world was starting to learn about AIDS I sat in on an underwriting meeting where the subject of how to deny AIDS health insurance claims. Some wanted to conduct an investigation into HOW the disease was contracted.

Saner heads prevailed and they decided there was no way to PROVE the individual contracted the disease via same sex behavior. They also decided they did not want to fight legal battles over claim denials, especially since there was nothing in the policy that allowed them to exclude such claims.

And now we have carriers that will write people w/ HIV.

To everything
There is a season.

 

[scagnt83]

I'm going to guess never.

You don't have to prove your vax for polio, tb, smallpox or anything else that we already vaccinate for. You're not required to get a flu shot or anything. I mean, you need those to go to school and stuff but if you somehow contracted one of those conditions and died from it, your family would still get the death benefit, vaxxed or not.

There is not a polio or smallpox epidemic going on right now either...

If smallpox had infected 6m+ people over the past 2 years, Id bet it would become a question on the app pretty quickly. Just like the covid vaccine likely will be imo if this keeps going at the same pace.

Ive already heard rumors from 2 major mutuals that talks have been conducted about a special rating or some type of surcharge for those who are unvaccinated.

Health insurance industry has been talking about it as well. Just like a smoker rating.

 

[somarco]

Ive already heard rumors from 2 major mutuals that talks have been conducted about a special rating or some type of surcharge for those who are unvaccinated.

Requiring vax proof? Even with those who contracted CV and lived and have MORE antibodies than you get from any of the jabs?

 

[scagnt83]

Requiring vax proof? Even with those who contracted CV and lived and have MORE antibodies than you get from any of the jabs?

Every study on the subject has shown the remaining anti-bodies after infection are not comparable to what the vaccine provides, nor do they last as long.

According to most studies so far, antibodies from infection last around 60 days. Antibodies from the vaccine are still detectable 180 days later.

(which is exactly what most experts predicted in the first place when idiots claimed getting infected made them "immune")

And this is the reason why life insurers have already been asking about contracting covid before issuing the policy. And why they are considering adding a surcharge for people who are unvaccinated.

 

[Tahoe Ray]

There is not a polio or smallpox epidemic going on right now either...

Hmmm...I wonder why?

 

[somarco]

Hmmm...I wonder why?

Polio & smallpox were not manufactured in a lab.

Development of the vaccines took years, not months. Both smallpox & polio vaccines had FULL FDA approval before available to the public.

The vaccines were not heavily promoted by politicians that owned stock in the pharmaceutical companies and those same politicians have made a lot of money promoting the CV vaccine.

 

[Newby]

Every study on the subject has shown the remaining anti-bodies after infection are not comparable to what the vaccine provides, nor do they last as long.

According to most studies so far, antibodies from infection last around 60 days. Antibodies from the vaccine are still detectable 180 days later.

(which is exactly what most experts predicted in the first place when idiots claimed getting infected made them "immune")

And this is the reason why life insurers have already been asking about contracting covid before issuing the policy. And why they are considering adding a surcharge for people who are unvaccinated.

Is this true? Do you have links to the studies?
I thought the largest study (in India) involving millions showed the exact opposite. That immunity from recovery was much stronger than current vaccines and with many people lasts longer than the vaccine. But like the vaccines it doesn't last the same length in each person. I could be all wrong. I'm trying not to tie up my days with this stuff.

 

[Allen Trent]

That immunity from recovery was much stronger than current vaccines and with many people lasts longer than the vaccine

I think the confusion is there are indeed many articles saying both.

I believe the studies saying vaccination is stronger & longer lasting than actual infection recovering & super immunity of both infection+vaccine are talking about the short term 2-5 month antibody response.

The other articles talking about infection being better talk more about the longer term B & T cell memory response as to how to fight off the virus. Natural infection versus vaccination: Differences in COVID antibody responses emerge - News

There are even studies as to why some people that have had dozens of full on exposures in very close quarters that have never gotten sick. The belief is that some of these individuals B & T cell memory from years prior coronavirus infections have provided some strong response for those individuals. 15 months prior to Covid 19 being known, my 18 year old son was rushed by ambulance with chest pains, heart attack blood levels very high. Had Myocarditis & Mayo clinic tested his blood work to see what virus had attacked his body causing the inflammation response. Mayo came back with no known virus..this event also Triggered his hashimotos thryroid disease. 2 months later he was hospitalized with severe meningitis like brain inflammation. Again no known virus showing in his bloodwork. In hindsight, his sequence of events look 100% like how COVID-19 can attack some young males with Myocarditis & a follow up MIS-C multi inflammatory covid response seen in kids that had mild infection or asymptomatic . My son has since been in at least 10 situations where all 5 of his college roommates had covid 19, his entire college lacrosse team, all 7 co workers at an office, his girlfriend & her 7 family members that had a holiday party together & ate in a restaurant igloo together. He has never tested positive. It is almost as if he had already fought it off. His Drs & cardiologists can't figure it out, but they say they also see this in their patients that had that vape induced popcorn lung just before covid 19 was announced, making some believe the vape illness could have been early iterations of Covid 19. All this could also be why some blood banks show samples from earlier years with Covid 19 antibodies even before 2019.

Now, on this next topic, covid 19 in Michigan deer I have no explanation & can't believe they even put this in the news. If wild deer have contracted it, it leads me to believe the tests are not actually testing for the true covid 19 antibody or the virus was bio warfare & put into our air/environment cause I haven't seen deer attending too many indoor social gatherings with humans. 67% of deer with Covid 19 antibodies, c'mon man:. https://www.nbc15.com/2021/08/10/67...deer-tested-michigan-had-covid-19-antibodies/

Science

 

[goillini52]

Is this true? Do you have links to the studies?
I thought the largest study (in India) involving millions showed the exact opposite. That immunity from recovery was much stronger than current vaccines and with many people lasts longer than the vaccine. But like the vaccines it doesn't last the same length in each person. I could be all wrong. I'm trying not to tie up my days with this stuff.

I'll bet he gets his news from CNN.