Don't even think about rolling a book of Medicare business!

She's with Gordon. There was no situation where this came up recently. It's her posting for this very discussion.

I don't worry about the carrier. Their job is to make as much money as they can. Our job is to make sure that our client gets the best value possible for their money.

They can get pissed and term me for moving people off their product. I'll just make sure as many people go with me as possible.
And it's not like there aren't plenty of other companies to use. In Illinois there are 40-50 companies selling Med Supps. Many of them are within a few cents of each other.

I've always said it and Glen posted the same.....If I don't move them to another company, somebody else will. :yes:
 
No, it really has never been much of an issue. I think someone just wanted to make a post about something.

Besides that, if I had to move a substantial number of clients and I got terminated, I don't think I would be worrying about it too much. You're replacing them for a reason.
I don't know you, but it's getting harder and harder not to jump through this screen and :cry::arghh:.

No, I didn't post just "to post about something" and yes, this is a big issue that agents are not aware of. I've tried to call you, you won't answer so I'll air this publicly.

We work with thousands of agents in all states. I realize you are a small shop that works under Amerilife and if you've ever asked your upline they would share with you that agents do get terminated and DNR for rolling cases. As a small agency, you may not see it but don't mislead your following on this site that this does not happen. It most certainly does.

I posted this to alert agents of something they don't take into consideration. I have a huge agent who rolled a lot of Medico over 10 years ago and still has a DNR. He complained that their rates skyrocketed (they did) and it wasn't fair to terminate him...but they did. Once Medico became hot again, he was barred from contracting.

This is also a tactic agencies can use against agents who leave them. Recently an agent left his GA. He moved 10 Mutual of Omaha cases so the GA call MOO and complained. We were notified to talk to the agent or explain he would be terminated, per his contract. Read your contracts, they all have a provision for this. I see if every year and I want this to be something agents consider when a company has a flat year. Without companies to represent, you are out of business fast and no company stays competitive perpetually. Protect your relationships with your carriers. Moving large groups of policies is dangerous to your career.
 
I would guess this happens more in the MA market; where a carrier has a significant change in their benefits/premiums and everyone moves.

What happens if all members move and it's not the result of the agent? Does the agent get canned then too?
This actually happens more (agents being terminated) in the Medicare Supplement market! MAPD plans DO show us how many polices you have lost each year and we (FMO/NMAs) are called to explain what is going on with said agent. As long as we have a solid explanation, there is no action taken against the agent. For example, X plan lost a major hospital network. X won't penalize agents for moving clients to Z plan who has that hospital. In general, I've seen MAPD plans act very fair. It's the Medigap plans that see a wholesale movement of a book of business at the 6 year mark that raised the alarm!
 
I don't know you, but it's getting harder and harder not to jump through this screen and :cry::arghh:.

No, I didn't post just "to post about something" and yes, this is a big issue that agents are not aware of. I've tried to call you, you won't answer so I'll air this publicly.

We work with thousands of agents in all states. I realize you are a small shop that works under Amerilife and if you've ever asked your upline they would share with you that agents do get terminated and DNR for rolling cases. As a small agency, you may not see it but don't mislead your following on this site that this does not happen. It most certainly does.

I posted this to alert agents of something they don't take into consideration. I have a huge agent who rolled a lot of Medico over 10 years ago and still has a DNR. He complained that their rates skyrocketed (they did) and it wasn't fair to terminate him...but they did. Once Medico became hot again, he was barred from contracting.

This is also a tactic agencies can use against agents who leave them. Recently an agent left his GA. He moved 10 Mutual of Omaha cases so the GA call MOO and complained. We were notified to talk to the agent or explain he would be terminated, per his contract. Read your contracts, they all have a provision for this. I see if every year and I want this to be something agents consider when a company has a flat year. Without companies to represent, you are out of business fast and no company stays competitive perpetually. Protect your relationships with your carriers. Moving large groups of policies is dangerous to your career.
I have called agents' attention to that clause in their contracts in the past but they all say the companies do not enforce it. I can't disprove that because I have not written Med Sup for several years but I know of times in those days when I had agents terminated for rolling business... and I was a much smaller shop than Todd. I always hear agents saying that they move them because it is in the best interest of the client. But the funny thing is most get rolled at year 7 when the commission rate drops. It is amazing how certain things coincide at times.. :yes:
 
I don't know you, but it's getting harder and harder not to jump through this screen and :cry::arghh:.

No, I didn't post just "to post about something" and yes, this is a big issue that agents are not aware of. I've tried to call you, you won't answer so I'll air this publicly.

We work with thousands of agents in all states. I realize you are a small shop that works under Amerilife and if you've ever asked your upline they would share with you that agents do get terminated and DNR for rolling cases. As a small agency, you may not see it but don't mislead your following on this site that this does not happen. It most certainly does.

I posted this to alert agents of something they don't take into consideration. I have a huge agent who rolled a lot of Medico over 10 years ago and still has a DNR. He complained that their rates skyrocketed (they did) and it wasn't fair to terminate him...but they did. Once Medico became hot again, he was barred from contracting.

This is also a tactic agencies can use against agents who leave them. Recently an agent left his GA. He moved 10 Mutual of Omaha cases so the GA call MOO and complained. We were notified to talk to the agent or explain he would be terminated, per his contract. Read your contracts, they all have a provision for this. I see if every year and I want this to be something agents consider when a company has a flat year. Without companies to represent, you are out of business fast and no company stays competitive perpetually. Protect your relationships with your carriers. Moving large groups of policies is dangerous to your career.
 
I do read my contracts. I'm calling BS on MO terminating for replacement . They don't have it in their contracts . Agent may have been realeased by them ,but not for replacement.
 
You know I have been reading on this forum for years that its good to shop for clients every 3 or so years,

However, for my first 5 years, I did not do this unless a client called me, And over 2018 and beginning 2019 I started t notice and feel the drop-off more

So early this year I started a little at a time starting with 6-year-old clients working my way to 3-year-old clients and I found especially the older ones were either moved already or looking and wondering why I haven't called them

Now my clients are much happier and I am killing it in referrals

I have been happy with this my clients have been happy with this

However, now this thread, Can't say I am not concerned, I def don't move people for No reason, Usually saving are $50 or more a month per policy, I don't move everyone and I don't push people to move, I just have a conversation and if it goes there great if not great,


I don't know yet if I should take this seriously or not
 
You know I have been reading on this forum for years that its good to shop for clients every 3 or so years,

However, for my first 5 years, I did not do this unless a client called me, And over 2018 and beginning 2019 I started t notice and feel the drop-off more

So early this year I started a little at a time starting with 6-year-old clients working my way to 3-year-old clients and I found especially the older ones were either moved already or looking and wondering why I haven't called them

Now my clients are much happier and I am killing it in referrals

I have been happy with this my clients have been happy with this

However, now this thread, Can't say I am not concerned, I def don't move people for No reason, Usually saving are $50 or more a month per policy, I don't move everyone and I don't push people to move, I just have a conversation and if it goes there great if not great,


I don't know yet if I should take this seriously or not

I wouldn't feel to anxious about it. They're getting three years of business from YOUR clients. The client has no loyalty to the insurance company and neither do you.

Honestly, Medicare Momma is the reason I'll likely never contract with Gordon. She's spammy AF and it hurts their reputation.
 
I don't know yet if I should take this seriously or not

This is the first year, that I've actually been a little concerned about it. I had so many that not only were in years 6 and 7, but were able to move and cut their premium up to $150, no lie. I moved a lady that's 82, and premium cut by 55%, but I worried that it was too many at the same time.

Wasn't there a guy on here several years back that got his ass handed to him by Hxxxa?Getting termed for reasons that don't seem fair aren't common, but they do happen. I know a guy that referenced one of the blues (not NC), in an unflattering way, in an email, and the client sent it to them. He was termed within two weeks.
 
I don't know you, but it's getting harder and harder not to jump through this screen and :cry::arghh:.

No, I didn't post just "to post about something" and yes, this is a big issue that agents are not aware of. I've tried to call you, you won't answer so I'll air this publicly.

We work with thousands of agents in all states. I realize you are a small shop that works under Amerilife and if you've ever asked your upline they would share with you that agents do get terminated and DNR for rolling cases. As a small agency, you may not see it but don't mislead your following on this site that this does not happen. It most certainly does.

I posted this to alert agents of something they don't take into consideration. I have a huge agent who rolled a lot of Medico over 10 years ago and still has a DNR. He complained that their rates skyrocketed (they did) and it wasn't fair to terminate him...but they did. Once Medico became hot again, he was barred from contracting.

This is also a tactic agencies can use against agents who leave them. Recently an agent left his GA. He moved 10 Mutual of Omaha cases so the GA call MOO and complained. We were notified to talk to the agent or explain he would be terminated, per his contract. Read your contracts, they all have a provision for this. I see if every year and I want this to be something agents consider when a company has a flat year. Without companies to represent, you are out of business fast and no company stays competitive perpetually. Protect your relationships with your carriers. Moving large groups of policies is dangerous to your career.

My phone number is clearly posted under my signature here. I have not received the first call from you. I would think you would leave a message for me to return the call if you couldn't get hold of me, but you didn't do that either.

I'm not sure why you feel the need to make things up and put words in my mouth, but you really should stop. I've never said anything about you not having national contracts like you said in your Thanksgiving video...that's just a flat out lie!

Furthermore, not sure where you get your info, but we don't have any health contracts with Amerilife, so that too is wrong. You have no idea how big or small we are. You just think you do.

And to close this...I never said it doesn't happen. I said it isn't much of an issue, which is true.

Please have your mom reach out to me so I can let her know that her two little girls are making up lies!
 
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