Evolution of LTCI Plans

I have no clue who she is, what her experience or background is, etc. I am sure she is a very nice person with good intentions.

But after reading that article I would question her "expertise", or at least the intentions of her article. Now I do not claim to be a LTCI expert on the same level that Jack/Arthur/Scott are. They have all been doing it longer and in greater volumes than I. But I do know more than the average agent about LTCI.

If you hold yourself out to be an expert, then you should not make factual errors in your article. (3 day stay/HIPPA 1997)

She also claims that there have been rate increases for policies "in the past few years", yet with Hancock alone rate increases date back to 2003. She says the group market did not see rate increases for over 20 years... but she also fails to mention that the group market has had the highest rate increases in the industry... up to 90%... she also fails to mention that there are only 2 group LTCI providers left because as the companies raised rates they also dropped out of the group market totally.

And after all of the talk about loosing family homes and such to clawbacks from Medicare, she forgets to mention the LTC Partnership programs that have made purchasing a policy an even greater way to protect your assets.

There are some relevant facts in her article. But as someone who has sold LTCI for 8 years now, most of the article seems like she is trying to put lipstick on a pig.

I probably would not have commented at all if she had not tried to pitch the exit of 90% of LTCI carriers as a positive to the industry.... or if she had not tried to pitch group increases as a positive for the industry, when in fact those group increases have been the cause of some of the worst press for LTCI... and after saying its a positive she leaves out the fact that most carriers are completely out of the group market.

If you are an expert you should be factual, not try to spin negatives into positives, and not leave out key facts that would discredit the point you are trying to make. I guess I just did not find it to be a professionally minded article... it seems more like a product pitch than a professional article.

The truth about the LTCI industry is that while there have been a few positive changes here and there, there have been many more negative changes.
 
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peviously posted by Mrs_Ed

The fact is that today's policies have good benefits, lots of benefit choices, are priced conservatively, and have a very low probability of future rate increases

Wasn't that said when the LTC Model Act was passed in 2002?
How'd that work out Scott? And I see you're hedging. Now's it's a "low probability of rate increases" a couple of months ago it was NO rate increases on policies issued after 2013.

How low a probability, 1%, 5%, 10% 25%, 50%? Pick a number.

So, what do they want: 5% compound with an unlimited benefit period that gets hit with a huge premium increase OR do they want stabilized pricing with 3% compound and a 5 year benefit period.

Keep in mind that those unlimited benefit periods & 5% compound inflation riders were also supposed to have stable pricing. Did you know that in 2000, premiums for those benefits would become "unstable"?

Rate Stability Regulations in over 40 states REQUIRE that every new policy series be priced HIGHER than all previous policy series. That's OK, though. That helps protect consumers

So let me understand this: Consumers are protected because Rate Stability Regs REQUIRE that policies be "over-priced"?

Christine, meet Scott
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peviously posted by Mrs_Ed



Wasn't that said when the LTC Model Act was passed in 2002?
How'd that work out Scott? And I see you're hedging. Now's it's a "low probability of rate increases" a couple of months ago it was NO rate increases on policies issued after 2013.


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Arthur, the rate stability regulation only affects policies issued AFTER the rate stability regulation took effect in that state.

Over 97% of the policies that have had rate increases were NOT protected by the rate stability regulation.

In other words, for every 10,000 rate increases, 9,775 of those policies were NOT protected by the Rate Stability Regulation.

For every 10,000 rate increases only 225 of them were policies that were issued after the Rate Stability Regulation took effect. And, for those policies protected by the Rate Stability Regulation, in order for that rate increase to be approved on that policy, the actuary had to certify that it was the ONLY rate increase that would be needed on that policy for the life of the policy.

Shouldn't an "LTCi specialist" know about these regulations, Arthur?

;););)

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Tyler who's the last two group companies?

CNA and UNUM are the only "true group".

LifeSecure and Transam still do a lot of multi life.

Other companies are coming back into the multi life market after the New Year.


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This Christine loses all credibility with me. You guys really nailed it with your posts. Said what I was thinking.

As far as Rate Stability Regulation. Shouldn't carriers be educating agents on this subject as well ?

How about something in a marketing piece to back it up ?
 
This Christine loses all credibility with me. You guys really nailed it with your posts. Said what I was thinking.

As far as Rate Stability Regulation. Shouldn't carriers be educating agents on this subject as well ?

How about something in a marketing piece to back it up ?


great idea.

:swoon::swoon::swoon::swoon::swoon:

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Arthur you may not understand the Rate Stability Regulations because your home state is one of only 9 states that has not passed any type of Rate Stability Regulation for LTC insurance.
 
As far as Rate Stability Regulation. Shouldn't carriers be educating agents on this subject as well ?

How about something in a marketing piece to back it up ?

Maybe the carriers do not think it will work as intended... they have every reason in the world to promote it but they dont...
 
I am just tired of all the marketing drivel.

To wit, a client called me this afternoon. 72 years old; bought policy 7 years ago; has $6300 month, 10 year benefit period; 0 Day Home Care EP, no claims offset, 5% compounded growth, Survivorship; Received a 10% rate increase. Premium going from $2200 to $2400. Says he read on the internet there are better policies today. Hybrids.

Really?

This is the danger of marketing. Consumers are easily influenced.

So I spend 15 minutes explaining to him that his policy would be a steal even with a 300% rate increase much less a 10% increase.

Just would appreciate it if the "experts" would write something of value or leave well enough alone.
 
previously posted by Mr_Ed

Arthur, the rate stability regulation only affects policies issued AFTER the rate stability regulation took effect in that state.

Over 97% of the policies that have had rate increases were NOT protected by the rate stability regulation.

In other words, for every 10,000 rate increases, 9,775 of those policies were NOT protected by the Rate Stability Regulation.

For every 10,000 rate increases only 225 of them were policies that were issued after the Rate Stability Regulation took effect. And, for those policies protected by the Rate Stability Regulation, in order for that rate increase to be approved on that policy, the actuary had to certify that it was the ONLY rate increase that would be needed on that policy for the life of the policy.

Shouldn't an "LTCi specialist" know about these regulations, Arthur?

Sorry Scott, way too much information for me to digest.

I'll use my common sense and go by what I see. And what I see is that rate increases to date, all over the planet have been numerous, exhorbitant and the biggest detriment to the future sales of LTCi.

Every local and national article about LTCi over the past 5 years mentions out of control rate increases by the "big bad insurance companies". Don't you think that's a turn-off to prospective LTCi buyers? Premiums today (IMO) are the #1 reason that sales of LTCi have dropped to levels of pre-2002. (That's an assumption, but I'm sure I'm not too far off)

You like statistics? Here's my statistics:
100% of my policyholders from a particular LTC carrier have called me to question why they've been hit with rate increases from 19% to 100% To say the least, they were not too happy.

Don't you think that these policyholders have friends that they mention this to? Don't you understand that statistics aside, these increases have hurt the growth of our industry?

You can go ahead and advise your new prospects not to worry about future increases because after 35 years, "we've finally gotten everything under control".

(You also might want to tell them "If you like your doctor, you can keep your doctor")

You can justify everything with your statistics if that makes you happy. Personally, I live in the real world. I don't look at statistics, I look at recent history.
 
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