My how the Tables Have Turned...

[DHK]

Anybody remember this? May have lived through it. (I'm a little too young.)




Now today, it's the Left that is trying to silence other voices while calling them Fascist. It's the Left that wants "safe spaces" in schools and give college students crayons and hot chocolate because they can't handle other people's ideas.

It used to be about learning how to think and sort through ideas. Now they just want to tell you WHAT to think. Pretty soon, if it hasn't already, there will be generations of people that are brainwashed by the government.

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[Robert Barney]

Liberals have not changed their positions. They have just stopped hiding some of those positions.

 

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Now today, it's the Left that is trying to silence other voices while calling them Fascist. It's the Left that wants "safe spaces" in schools and give college students crayons and hot chocolate because they can't handle other people's ideas.

It used to be about learning how to think and sort through ideas. Now they just want to tell you WHAT to think. Pretty soon, if it hasn't already, there will be generations of people that are brainwashed by the government.

I doubt the those characterizing opposing viewpoints as Fascist even understand the concept of Fascism.

Classic case of the pot calling the kettle black. The irony is amusing.

The desire to silence dissent is actually a core component of Fascism.

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[AgentOrange]

I doubt the those characterizing opposing viewpoints as Fascist even understand the concept of Fascism.

Classic case of the pot calling the kettle black. The irony is amusing.

The desire to silence dissent is actually a core component of Fascism.

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Trump certainly has fascist instincts and Bannon is a fascist. What's important to know is at the center of fascism is nationalism. We've had this discussion here as many on this board love the idea of putting the interests of the nation above the rights of the individual as Trump extolled throughout his campaign under the guise of "law and order" and "America first". In fact I was told right here on this forum that nationalism is a form of patriotism.

Of course it's not. Patriotism in America is putting the rights of the individual above all else.

Perhaps you should take some time and educate yourself about fascism, nationalism and the dangers of populism. It's a dangerous mix.

Notice the rise in anti Semitism and the attacks on free speech rising with this current administration. These things do not happen in a vacuum, they are indeed movements happening here and in Europe.

Also, don't think fascism has any deep economic philosophy to it. A fascist movement can exist in almost any system from total free market to complete communism.

Anyway, if you're concerned about fascism rising in America and even across Europe, I suggest you look inward and to the White House.

 

[Robert Barney]

Trump certainly has fascist instincts and Bannon is a fascist.

Let's just put the brakes on right there.

I would not make that point, even in an attempt to mollify liberals and to appear circumspect.

When I decided to support Donald Trump (last March) I did so after coming the belief that the man was acting with altruistic purpose. No one knows what is in another man's heart but we end up in life having to come to a conclusion about it when dealing with other people. Trump didn't get my vote without my giving it careful thought and consideration.

No one likes dissent and no on likes to be told that they are wrong. I don't like it when people criticize me, especially those who unfairly criticize me and particularly those who lie about me and I am certain I am not alone. Does Trump like to experience the unfair treatment by the mainstream media? Of course not, what *** would say he likes it.

The question is, should Trump be able to push back? He certainly does push back and there are those of us who support that push back. But at NO time has Trump attempted to use the powers of political office to silence his critics. That's what fascism is about, and there's a hell of a difference between pushing back and that; Trump hasn't even come close.

The reason is simple. I think Trump believes in the first amendment. But the first amendment street goes both ways. The media have the right to say what they like about him, even if it is not true. I fail to see why people are holding him to a different standard. To say his pushing back is fascist is plainly wrong and you are wrong to say so.

But let me be even more candid about my belief. When the media falsely accuses Trump, I believe it is with premeditation and malice. When Trump makes a misstatement, I believe it is that, a misstatement. I don't believe that Trump intends to mislead, I think there are times when he says what he is thinking, without double thinking, and it is why his supporters (like me) like him because most of the time that is what they were thinking as well. More polished politicians tend to guard what they say, with a judicial reserve, to ensure their comments cannot be misconstrued. Frankly, that's where all this political correctness is rooted and many of us are tired of that BS.

The media needs to stop whining and Trump has no need to apologize for defending himself and his agenda. Trump's criticism of the media is not fascist, it's giving them what they dish out.

Go Trump.

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Perhaps you should take some time and educate yourself about fascism, nationalism and the dangers of populism.

The "push back" from Trump supporters is not the "rise" of anything other than a defense of this country, it's Constitution and our American values. Have those who defend those things become more vocal, you bet. But that follows 8 years of a president who thought America wasn't great, that we should apologize for who and what we are, that we need to transform this nation into something else, and that we should submit to world governance.

Liberals are very vocal about their agenda and are not shy about bringing harsh and extreme political pressure upon their opponents in order to impose that corrupt agenda. Those who disagree are simply resisting that agenda.

Consider the transsexual bathroom issue. Was that really a national problem that needed to be addressed? Did Obama really need to stick his nose into it and stir up the pot? No he didn't, but he pressed the issue anyway. And when that leads to strong opposition, does that means it's the fault of the opponents?

So if you want to apply titles like nationalism and populism to it, go ahead. But you falling into the trap set for you by liberals. Personally I wouldn't want to be that big a sucker.

 

[Winter_123]

Trump certainly has fascist instincts.

Okay. Let's examine this.

We have Donald Trump who you persistently portray as a fascist or just as a Nazi by your ilk.

Then we have George Soros, a global lefty manipulator but nevertheless a person who is the object of chronic bootlicking by your ilk who are easily used as tools.

But when it comes to fascists, which one of those two actually accompanied the Nazis when they served papers on the jews, confiscated their life's belongings, and transported them to Aushwitz or other such "choices" and then later described the time spent helping the Nazis as "the happiest time in his life."

Was it Donald Trump or your love object, George Soros?

 

[Robert Barney]

which one of those two actually accompanied the Nazis when they served papers on the jews, confiscated their life's belongings, and transported them to Aushwitz or other such "choices" and then later described the time spent helping the Nazis as "the happiest time in his life."

Wow, hadn't known about that. But here it is:



Start watching at 6:45

Found this funny bit at 13:00

"George Soros, in a way, is Donald Trump without the humility."

And the libs don't have any problem with George.

 

[AgentOrange]

Let's just put the brakes on right there.

I would not make that point, even in an attempt to mollify liberals and to appear circumspect.

When I decided to support Donald Trump (last March) I did so after coming the belief that the man was acting with altruistic purpose. No one knows what is in another man's heart but we end up in life having to come to a conclusion about it when dealing with other people. Trump didn't get my vote without my giving it careful thought and consideration.

No one likes dissent and no on likes to be told that they are wrong. I don't like it when people criticize me, especially those who unfairly criticize me and particularly those who lie about me and I am certain I am not alone. Does Trump like to experience the unfair treatment by the mainstream media? Of course not, what *** would say he likes it.

The question is, should Trump be able to push back? He certainly does push back and there are those of us who support that push back. But at NO time has Trump attempted to use the powers of political office to silence his critics. That's what fascism is about, and there's a hell of a difference between pushing back and that; Trump hasn't even come close.

The reason is simple. I think Trump believes in the first amendment. But the first amendment street goes both ways. The media have the right to say what they like about him, even if it is not true. I fail to see why people are holding him to a different standard. To say his pushing back is fascist is plainly wrong and you are wrong to say so.

But let me be even more candid about my belief. When the media falsely accuses Trump, I believe it is with premeditation and malice. When Trump makes a misstatement, I believe it is that, a misstatement. I don't believe that Trump intends to mislead, I think there are times when he says what he is thinking, without double thinking, and it is why his supporters (like me) like him because most of the time that is what they were thinking as well. More polished politicians tend to guard what they say, with a judicial reserve, to ensure their comments cannot be misconstrued. Frankly, that's where all this political correctness is rooted and many of us are tired of that BS.

The media needs to stop whining and Trump has no need to apologize for defending himself and his agenda. Trump's criticism of the media is not fascist, it's giving them what they dish out.

Go Trump.

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The "push back" from Trump supporters is not the "rise" of anything other than a defense of this country, it's Constitution and our American values. Have those who defend those things become more vocal, you bet. But that follows 8 years of a president who thought America wasn't great, that we should apologize for who and what we are, that we need to transform this nation into something else, and that we should submit to world governance.

Liberals are very vocal about their agenda and are not shy about bringing harsh and extreme political pressure upon their opponents in order to impose that corrupt agenda. Those who disagree are simply resisting that agenda.

Consider the transsexual bathroom issue. Was that really a national problem that needed to be addressed? Did Obama really need to stick his nose into it and stir up the pot? No he didn't, but he pressed the issue anyway. And when that leads to strong opposition, does that means it's the fault of the opponents?

So if you want to apply titles like nationalism and populism to it, go ahead. But you falling into the trap set for you by liberals. Personally I wouldn't want to be that big a sucker.

You thinking Trump believes in the first amendment is meaningless. Kids believe in Santa Claus and that's ok, but it is still only a belief. (Santa Claus is Puerto Rican by the way.) Donald Trump is the president of the United States, he needs to uphold the first amendment.

I don't need to apply labels, Trump and his officials have applied the labels nationalism and populism to his policies and worldview already. That's the core of fascism.

Winter called Trumps governing philosophy "socialism for white people". However you guys square this is up to you, but he is more of a fascist than a liberal or conservative when you look at his approach to governing.

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Okay. Let's examine this.

We have Donald Trump who you persistently portray as a fascist or just as a Nazi by your ilk.

Then we have George Soros, a global lefty manipulator but nevertheless a person who is the object of chronic bootlicking by your ilk who are easily used as tools.

But when it comes to fascists, which one of those two actually accompanied the Nazis when they served papers on the jews, confiscated their life's belongings, and transported them to Aushwitz or other such "choices" and then later described the time spent helping the Nazis as "the happiest time in his life."

Was it Donald Trump or your love object, George Soros?

I don't know much about George Doris beyond your obsession with him. Last time you claimed something about him was he was paying women to march January 21st in Washington - that was bunk.

Maybe he is a fascist, I don't know.

 

[Robert Barney]

I don't know much about George Doris beyond your obsession with him. Last time you claimed something about him was he was paying women to march January 21st in Washington - that was bunk.

Maybe he is a fascist, I don't know.

Then you should learn he's a big underlying part of your liberal agenda.

 

[Winter_123]

Winter called Trumps governing philosophy "socialism for white people". However you guys square this is up to you, but he is more of a fascist than a liberal or conservative when you look at his approach to governing.

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Yeh, as I said last time you said that, if I did it was tongue in cheek about something so I asked you to post it so that we could look at it. I have no memory at all of saying that but do no question that some banter might have been flying around.

Guess I will be waiting a bit more. Put it up there.