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For those of us who have held the view for years that reform in some form is coming (think guaranteed issue, subsidies, incentives, penalties), last night was just a confirmation (along with the senate vote) that it is indeed coming. Versus all this crapola talk we hear from time to time from die-hards about how hillarycare never this or that it and it will all blow over when people see the cost etc. Get past that. Some folks here need a little more time and last night's vote should help get you there, but by all means get going because being stuck on stupid is not helpful to any strategy.
Last night's vote was a bad, bad, bad sign for Obama. Yes, the dems won but only by two votes over the 218 they needed, one of which was cast by a Republican who was so flustered by Pelosi's hot body that he lost it. This can happen.
HELLOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!! He has an overwhelming majority in the house yet the bill passes by a margin that is tighter than a bull's ass at fly-swatting time? And some of the dems who voted for it said they did so just to keep it moving along but if it comes back from conference in that form they will vote against it. The take-home message is that these dems are thinking for themselves or at least their fear of their constituents is greater than their blind loyalty to the messiah. Take a look at the numbers in that vote and tell me that all dems are still drinking the Kool-Aid. They are not. And this will carry over to Afg, the economy, etc. Any area where Obama needs blind kool-aid drinking is over. These guys fear the next election bigtime and that is a huge, huge factor.Although we can't stop them from being liberal, the challenge now is just to stop a total socialist takeover and with that goal in mind Obama had a bad, bad, bad night. "Yes we can" is not going to be enough.
The bill passed by a couple votes. Anyone here who doesnt think at least a couple votes in there will find reasons to change when they talk to their constitutents at Thanksgiving?
As discussed (and which Al is not able to understand) those who are just partisan hacks crow about which party has more members and if they are in the majority then everything is groovy for them because that is all that counts to them. They see any discussion about the roles of libertarians, conservatives, tea parties etc as a waste of time unless they can actually win a seat. What the partisan hacks dont think about is the shifting mindset of those who may still be of the same party they were but now we have new wine in an old bottle. Thus, Obama had the same number of dems in the house eight months ago but they were all kool-aid drinking, glassy-eyed messiah followers who would pass anything. Now, however, he still has the same number of dems but they are scared shootless about whether it is even okay to be liberal with the next election coming up. If you want to stop the rush to socialism, it is essential to have that.
Also, dont believe any of this crap when people such as Al tell you that they are actually independents who look at all sides rather than liberals. It is the nature of liberalism to never actually stand and be responsible for something, especially a mess they may have created. When the dems have a little victory as they did last night, they start crowing like a rooster again. A few weeks ago when Obama was falling fast in the polls, Al described himself in a post as "almost libertarian." That type of politcal partisan is just a gadfly who wants to always be on the best platform to rabble-rouse and take shots at someone but has no interest in public policy and the future of the Republic. As Obama gets in more and more trouble they will distance themselves from him but do it in an intellectual way that covers up the fact that they are simply unable to man-up to the mess they created (California is wall-to-wall with that type of lib now that the state has tanked). However, if Obama has a little victory from time to time then they will swing over and side with him again as long as he is being treated like the man that they want to be, lacking testosterone of their own.
Personally if I were going into combat and saw my troops just barely pull through in a fight that is only a fraction of the battle to come I would be worried, but that's just me. But if Mr. Obama can go out to the Elks Club in Cutbank, Montana and make a speech to turn things around then go for it.
Another day, same message: Yes health care/insurance reform is coming but it will be less than what Obama, Pelosi, and Reid want. Or it could be everything they want but subject to so many triggers, future funding requirement etc that it is a victory on the books but who the hell knows when it would or could actually be implemented. Obama has finally arrived at the point where he has to actually work for a living. We dont know what that looks like yet.
There was a two vote lead margin on the administration's central program and an election coming up. We all have to do our own thinking but I am going to take a wild and crazy guess that many, many more in Congress are going to continue to gravitate toward the Blue Dogs in the coming months. Moreso than in Obama's direction. Ya think maybe?
Not sayin Pelosi wasnt looking hot cause she was.
Last night's vote was a bad, bad, bad sign for Obama. Yes, the dems won but only by two votes over the 218 they needed, one of which was cast by a Republican who was so flustered by Pelosi's hot body that he lost it. This can happen.
HELLOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!! He has an overwhelming majority in the house yet the bill passes by a margin that is tighter than a bull's ass at fly-swatting time? And some of the dems who voted for it said they did so just to keep it moving along but if it comes back from conference in that form they will vote against it. The take-home message is that these dems are thinking for themselves or at least their fear of their constituents is greater than their blind loyalty to the messiah. Take a look at the numbers in that vote and tell me that all dems are still drinking the Kool-Aid. They are not. And this will carry over to Afg, the economy, etc. Any area where Obama needs blind kool-aid drinking is over. These guys fear the next election bigtime and that is a huge, huge factor.Although we can't stop them from being liberal, the challenge now is just to stop a total socialist takeover and with that goal in mind Obama had a bad, bad, bad night. "Yes we can" is not going to be enough.
The bill passed by a couple votes. Anyone here who doesnt think at least a couple votes in there will find reasons to change when they talk to their constitutents at Thanksgiving?
As discussed (and which Al is not able to understand) those who are just partisan hacks crow about which party has more members and if they are in the majority then everything is groovy for them because that is all that counts to them. They see any discussion about the roles of libertarians, conservatives, tea parties etc as a waste of time unless they can actually win a seat. What the partisan hacks dont think about is the shifting mindset of those who may still be of the same party they were but now we have new wine in an old bottle. Thus, Obama had the same number of dems in the house eight months ago but they were all kool-aid drinking, glassy-eyed messiah followers who would pass anything. Now, however, he still has the same number of dems but they are scared shootless about whether it is even okay to be liberal with the next election coming up. If you want to stop the rush to socialism, it is essential to have that.
Also, dont believe any of this crap when people such as Al tell you that they are actually independents who look at all sides rather than liberals. It is the nature of liberalism to never actually stand and be responsible for something, especially a mess they may have created. When the dems have a little victory as they did last night, they start crowing like a rooster again. A few weeks ago when Obama was falling fast in the polls, Al described himself in a post as "almost libertarian." That type of politcal partisan is just a gadfly who wants to always be on the best platform to rabble-rouse and take shots at someone but has no interest in public policy and the future of the Republic. As Obama gets in more and more trouble they will distance themselves from him but do it in an intellectual way that covers up the fact that they are simply unable to man-up to the mess they created (California is wall-to-wall with that type of lib now that the state has tanked). However, if Obama has a little victory from time to time then they will swing over and side with him again as long as he is being treated like the man that they want to be, lacking testosterone of their own.
Personally if I were going into combat and saw my troops just barely pull through in a fight that is only a fraction of the battle to come I would be worried, but that's just me. But if Mr. Obama can go out to the Elks Club in Cutbank, Montana and make a speech to turn things around then go for it.
Another day, same message: Yes health care/insurance reform is coming but it will be less than what Obama, Pelosi, and Reid want. Or it could be everything they want but subject to so many triggers, future funding requirement etc that it is a victory on the books but who the hell knows when it would or could actually be implemented. Obama has finally arrived at the point where he has to actually work for a living. We dont know what that looks like yet.
There was a two vote lead margin on the administration's central program and an election coming up. We all have to do our own thinking but I am going to take a wild and crazy guess that many, many more in Congress are going to continue to gravitate toward the Blue Dogs in the coming months. Moreso than in Obama's direction. Ya think maybe?
Not sayin Pelosi wasnt looking hot cause she was.
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