Best Final Expense carrier for 84 year old?

OK, assuming they live past the term of the policy, they continue to pay in order to get the cash out of it dollar for dollar...do I have that right?

No. Your first thoughts were correct.

If people buy level premium whole-life with lifetime payments, you can always figure the break-even point for them.

In your case on the Americo policy you figured it out of about 5-years. So if they die before 5-years they are money ahead. If they die after 5-years they have lost money. They lose more money the longer they live.

The mentality of people who buy this type of insurance seems crazy. But with some people, the more you try to talk them out of it, the more they want it. You can point out all day long how they can save their own money and in 5-years (or less with interest) they will be self-insured for that amount. They don't understand the concept of saving money. They know if they have the money come through their hands, they will spend it on something (usually lottery tickets, alcohol, cigaretts, firecrackers etc.) They see the fact that the insurance company will take the money from their account before they ever see it as a HUGE benefit. They think of their policy in the same way as we think of our net worth.

So after 10-years of selling against this mentality, I now offer it as a last resort choice. I sell very few pay for life level benefit policies because I preach so hard against them. But there are THOUSANDS of them sold everyday. Usually there is 10 to 20 years before the break-even point but almost ALL of them out live the break even point and lose money.

It's almost funny that the AARP gives a free calculator with the application when they sell their version. They know the people who respond don't know how to use the calculator anyway.
 
I have heard that Lincoln Heritage has some good final expense policies. Inasmuch as I am not in that market, I do not know this from first-hand experience.

Lincoln Heritage seems to have pretty high premiums compared to many of the others. I would look at Oxford, Shenandoah, Americo, Motorists, and LaFayette as better choices than Lincoln Heritage.

Lincoln Heritage does have a "gimmicky" lead program that works for some agents though. They have a funeral benefits program which basically amounts to a biographical data sheet they will store online (not for me they won't.)

I think the program is very weak but if it gets you appointments it's worth something.
 
Since prospects buy what the agent puts in front of them. The question is which company will process the application and pay the highest commission. Look for a company that doesn't run pesky mib reports.
 
I sold a guy the other day that had not bought from the LH agent that was there before me. Guy had to quote him $80ish for $6000 and it was modified. I got him level for $43.

Got the agents card and texted him just how bad his product was and to let him know there are much better places for him and his clients. Talked to him in the phone. He's been with LH for 5 years. Pays $600 a week for 20 leads and sells between $10-$15k a month. Started at 80% contract and is now at 90%. AFTER 5 YEARS!?!

He's still drinking the koolaid and still think FCGS is awesome. Said he used it when his dad died and was real helpful. Tried to tell him whatever discount that program would get the insured will no way make up for the difference if you can offer folks $1000s more for the same premium.

But he did say they run MIB and script checks now and do phone interviews.
 
That was the main reason to write LH . Agents could clean sheet to death and be in and out of a house fast with a short app. I bet 1/3 of their apps modified now. Just like all the other cos who try no mib or rx they get hammered with claims and abandon it.
 
That was the main reason to write LH . Agents could clean sheet to death and be in and out of a house fast with a short app. I bet 1/3 of their apps modified now. Just like all the other cos who try no mib or rx they get hammered with claims and abandon it.

You are always such a ray of sunshine. Always worried about this company going under, or this one doing this, or that one that!

Good for you to be so worried about all these companies!
 
Actually I could 2 craps who goes under as long as db paid. I'm stating facts why carriers tighten up underwriting .
 
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