Can some one aware me on Primerica

[Allen Trent]

My wife's meatloaf recipe includes salt. So the question is, what else does it include?

Sounds like she is trying to put you in an early grave.

Plus, what is it with you climate deniers & your salt fetish. Salt mining is destructive to environment & ecosystem & has a history of child labor. Don't get me started on the meat portion of your wife poison she feeds you

 

[Allen Trent]

Question: If 5000 people earn $10k and 10000 people earn $5k, how many people are we talking about in total?

Depends on how many are making $0 or making negative after business expenses

 

[Allen Trent]

No... now you're doing it. Toolbelt keeps calling Primerica a Pyramid Scheme. That has a specific legal definition.

Primerica is not a pyramid scheme. They do not have the best practices. Hell, they don't even know enough about the policies that they claim are rip-offs. https://www.davidkinderfinancial.com/post/primerica-iul-hit-piece-de-bunked

Generally speaking, Primerica representatives are not a credit to the insurance industry and I think all the claims in the video are correct... other than calling it a pyramid scheme.

I am very precise in my terminology. Toolbelt believes that everything that isn't right in a company that recruits... is a pyramid scheme. And that's not the case.

Just come out of the closet to your closest strangers on this forum........you are dating an RVP or SVP, aren't you??

 

[Allen Trent]

Sounds like a long roundabout way of saying their system is something resembling a 3D geometric shape with symmetrical triangular faces along its edges. It could also have something like a polygonal base that's quadrilateral with congruent sides and equal angles. What would we call something like that?

By the way you describe it, I want to look into joining it. Sounds like a pretty cool, hip psychedelic setup

 

[toolbelt]

Just come out of the closet to your closest strangers on this forum........you are dating an RVP or SVP, aren't you??

A double-diamond platinum level SVP, with clusters?

 

[toolbelt]

By the way you describe it, I want to look into joining it. Sounds like a pretty cool, hip psychedelic setup

The hive

 

[Cornelius]

This person talks about the system at PFS but doesn't go indepth on products. A long video. His major issue seems to be about recruiting.

 

[toolbelt]

but doesn't go indepth on products.

Neither does Primerica,

 

[toolbelt]

This person talks about the system at PFS but doesn't go indepth on products. A long video. His major issue seems to be about recruiting.

No pyramid schemes have ever been busted over their products, so in the context of that video's subject, the products are moot.

 

[DHK]

Just come out of the closet to your closest strangers on this forum........you are dating an RVP or SVP, aren't you??

A double-diamond platinum level SVP, with clusters?

Neither of you get it.

1. Arguing this much about Primerica... or frankly with a Primerica rep... is like a PhD arguing with a toddler. The toddler always wins and the PhD looks like a fool for attempting the conversation in the first place.

2. I don't like giving Primerica, Dave Ramsey, Suze Ormon or anyone else that much mental space in my head. I have far greater things to do and a bigger mission and purpose than to debate the "merits" of their so-called 'advice'.

3. Neither of you have read my favorite book: "The Greatest Networker in the World" by John Milton Fogg. Chapter six: "a goal bigger than winning" has a very important lesson for all of us.

https://20daypersuasion.com/greatestnetworker.pdf

Here's the key point of that chapter:

"The paradigm of Network Marketing," he continued, as he stood up and walked around the couch and the room, "is so fundamentally different and distinct from all other paradigms of business, that it requires a pretty complete shift from the way we normally view business to appreciate and understand it.

"For example, in our industry, every single company, no matter how different its products and services are from any other's, competes directly with every other Network Marketing company in attracting people to their business opportunity.

That kind of competition from every angle doesn't exist anywhere else - in any other industry. Do you see that?"

"Yes, I do," I said, nodding in agreement and following him with my eyes and ears as he paced round the room.

"Now, given that unique competitive environment, there is the tendency for individual distributors to offer their opportunity as 'the best'.

That's natural, but how they do that is critical.

"Sadly, most of them only think to accomplish creating the perception of 'best' based on their old paradigm values - being the best by putting down the competition. 'My dog's better than your dog.'

"That may be fine - when it's Ford versus GM," he continued, "or when multi-million-dollar fights for market share are being waged over the TV in the beer battles or cola wars.

But when Network Marketing distributors put down other companies, they're also putting down the industry as a whole.

"What happens then - and remember, we are the 'word-of-mouth' business - is that there's this growing communication out there in the world about how bad this company is, and that company is, and this other company is.

"You want to hear an amazing statistic?" he asked. I nodded yes.

"For every positive piece of word-of-mouth consumers pass around, there are 11 negative comments being shuttled about. Just think about that for a moment: for every positive thing that's said about you, your company or product, there are 11 negative things being said. Geometric progression works! - for us and against us, too.

Soon, those 11 negatives become 22, then 44, and all the way up into the hundreds of thousands, as one person shares how bad Network Marketing is with another, and they tell five, and they tell five, etcetera.

"Do you see where I'm going with all of this?" he asked.

I did, and it was beginning to make me uncomfortable.

I remembered all the times I had told some prospect why he or she didn't want to get involved with this other company or that one... that my company was really the only good Network Marketing company, the only one doing it right.

It had never occurred to me that this person might be thinking, "Why would I want to be involved in an industry where every company but one markets mediocre products, has an unfair compensation plan and treats their people poorly?!"

In fact, I was now beginning to feel a good-sized chunk of regret for all that negative talk I'd put out into the world.

"I see you know what I'm talking about," he said, obviously noticing my somber expression.

"We all - every single Networking distributor - have the responsibility to 'sell' our industry itself, as well as our individual products and opportunity.

"Do you think it's the media who's responsible for the bad press about Network Marketing?" he asked.

"I did until this morning.
Now, I think we are, all of us - I am," I answered ruefully.

"Yup," he said. "We are. Each one of us.

"Network Marketing is the ultimate in freedom," he continued, "the freest of all free enterprise. That's the front side.

The back - the other side of the coin - is responsibility."

"Network Marketing is truly the responsibility business. We get paid for taking responsibility. The more of it we take on, the more we get paid. That's what the word 'sponsor' means - being responsible for the people you bring into the business."

"When you are responsible for an organization of thousands of people, you earn a lot of money. Which is great. That's as it should be."

"Now here's something interesting."
He stopped pacing, sat back down directly across from me and leaned forward.

"Right now, you are concerned with your survival in this business, with your responsibility for creating your own success - true?"

"Yes," I said.

"Okay. Now, what would be different if you were concerned about the success of the entire industry? If that were your responsibility?"

"Oh, wow... " I said, looking up at the ceiling.
I brought my eyes back down and said, "Well, I probably wouldn't spend as much time focused on myself, that's for sure."

"What would you spend your time focused on?" he asked.

"Making sure people knew the good news about Network Marketing and thought really well of us. Getting the word out. Helping people understand how great this is. Getting rid of abuses in the industry - you know, front-loading and crazy earnings claims. Things like that," I said.

"Would you be at all concerned about whether somebody said 'Yes' or 'No' to trying your products or joining your opportunity?"

"No. I wouldn't."

"And would that allow you to approach building your business differently than the way you've been doing it?"

"Yeah. It really would," I said.
Boy, this was interesting! I actually experienced what people mean when they talk about seeing the light. I'd just seen it.

"I got it!" I exclaimed.

"By taking my focus and attention off myself, and putting it on something bigger, much bigger, the problems I now think are big get smaller - immediately. They seem so simple now. I don't care about them anymore."

Now Toolbelt will take exception about this whole thing. Don't apply it to network marketing. Apply it to the insurance industry. It equally applies, if not more so.

I care far more about people getting coverage from ANYONE than not having any.

Some insurance is better than none.
More is better than less.
A "bad" policy... will still pay out a death benefit.

That... is what I'm about.

The rest of it... I don't focus on. Not my job. Not my circus and not my monkeys.