Defining Affordable . . .

So we won't penalize you for not getting coverage, but you are still up a creek without a paddle as far as getting "affordable" coverage.
 
So we won't penalize you for not getting coverage, but you are still up a creek without a paddle as far as getting "affordable" coverage.

You say that like it is a bad thing.
 
here is how I see it: now the poor currently go to the hospital and get care at the county hospital on our nickel because they are broke or illegal. the county(public) hospital treats them and they go on down the road as a charity case..... now in the ACA they will be provided coverage with massive subsidies or Medicaid.

FUTURE: now the uninsured class with be upper middle class with good credit and assets.... hospital now demands payment in full for the 30,000$ surgery or the 150000$ heart attack... now the upper middle class has credit scores of 400 and they are broke... mission accomplished
 
here is how I see it: now the poor currently go to the hospital and get care at the county hospital on our nickel because they are broke or illegal. the county(public) hospital treats them and they go on down the road as a charity case..... now in the ACA they will be provided coverage with massive subsidies or Medicaid.

FUTURE: now the uninsured class with be upper middle class with good credit and assets.... hospital now demands payment in full for the 30,000$ surgery or the 150000$ heart attack... now the upper middle class has credit scores of 400 and they are broke... mission accomplished

Despite what has been said, I see Obamacare as benefiting the super rich.

1. Less charity cases by hospitals, doctors, etc. More profit for them.
2. Most companies can now safely dump their health insurance and keep the savings.
3. More insured by government so more guaranteed sales of drugs, medical equipment, medical supplies, etc.
 
Despite what has been said, I see Obamacare as benefiting the super rich.

1. Less charity cases by hospitals, doctors, etc. More profit for them.
2. Most companies can now safely dump their health insurance and keep the savings.
3. More insured by government so more guaranteed sales of drugs, medical equipment, medical supplies, etc.


I respectfully disagree. Please see; Canada, England, etc. None of this has occured.
 
I respectfully disagree. Please see; Canada, England, etc. None of this has occured.

That's a bummer if so, at least someone would have benefited from Obamacare in my example. Otherwise, who did this help? The poor will continue to use the ER as a PCP, either because they can't get in to see one or a host of other reasons. The middle class will see premiums go up enough to be unaffordable, and the rich will face higher premiums and higher taxes.
 
I see the government spending all of this money, and in the end, we insure less than 10MM people, leaving us with 35MM uninsured. Who is insured vs. who is uninsured may change for various reasons, but on a per-capita basis the cost for implementation/regulation, premium, and subsidies is going to be off the charts.
 
I see the government spending all of this money, and in the end, we insure less than 10MM people, leaving us with 35MM uninsured.

 
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