Grumblings in the Hinterlands

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Posted on: Thursday, February 10, 2011

BOISE - More than 200 people crowded into the Idaho Capitol on Wednesday for a hearing on a bill to void President Obama's health care overhaul, an effort that invokes the spirit of a 200-year-old state's rights doctrine championed by federal government foes but found unconstitutional by the U.S. Supreme Court.

The measure being pushed by conservative Republicans would forbid Idaho agencies from putting the 2009 federal law into effect - a declaration of state sovereignty over what the bill's advocates call a federal power grab. It could mean returning money that Idaho has already received to enact some aspects of the federal law.

Dozens at the House State Affairs Committee wore yellow "Yes Nullify!" stickers on their shirts or jackets. Many were tea party adherents; some included small business owners and citizens who fear the law will not only limit their rights, but increase their health insurance costs and expand the power of the Internal Revenue Service.

"Not only is it unconstitutional, but common sense shows the federal government is overreaching. And if Idaho does not set precedent in stopping this, the federal powers will continue to usurp 'We the people,'" said Mike Chism, a member of the Oath Keepers group whose members vow to resist what they believe are unconstitutional federal mandates.

After more than three hours of testimony, a vote on the bill was postponed until at least Thursday.

Alabama, Kansas, Maine, Missouri, Montana, Oregon, Nebraska, Texas and Wyoming also are considering so-called "nullification" measures. The provisions are an expression of broad concern over the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act, especially its requirement that residents to buy insurance or else face fines after 2014.

Constitutional scholars and the Idaho attorney general have said legislative attempts to nullify the law are unlikely to survive legal challenges. They say Idaho is better off pursuing the case in court, where a federal judge in Florida has already ruled against the overhaul even as other courts have ruled more favorably. It's likely bound for U.S. Supreme Court review.

David Gray Adler, a constitutional scholar who directs the University of Idaho's McClure Center for Public Policy Research, has said there's nothing in the U.S. Constitution to support that nullification is a lawful means of opposing the federal government. Idaho Assistant Chief Deputy Attorney General Brian Kane has written that states can't "pick and choose" which federal laws to follow.

Other lawyers agreed.

"You're essentially tilting at a windmill here that will get you nowhere," Bruce Bistline, a lawyer from Boise, told the committee Wednesday.

Even the bill's sponsors disagree about what the final effect of the measure will be, should it pass the House and Senate and win Gov. C.L. "Butch" Otter's signature.

For instance, Rep. Vito Barbieri, R-Dalton Gardens, said Idaho would likely have to conform to the health care law should the U.S. Supreme Court eventually rule it is constitutional.

"The only alternative would be troops on the border," Barbieri said following the meeting. "Ultimately, the state is going to comply."

But Sen. Monty Pearce, R-New Plymouth, said Idaho, not the nation's high court, would have the final say.

Rep. Erik Simpson, R-Idaho Falls and a member of the State Affairs Committee, believes it's the courts that will decide if the Idaho Legislature has overstepped its boundaries.

Idaho's bill declaring the health care law "void and of no effect" in Idaho is based on an idea that future President Thomas Jefferson broached in 1798 when he argued states were the final arbiter of constitutionality.

In a resolution passed by Kentucky, Jefferson wrote that the "rightful remedy" was nullification, a doctrine he created to express his disgust with the Alien and Sedition Acts enacted by then-President John Adams during an undeclared naval war with France.

Despite Jefferson's views, however, the U.S. Supreme Court has shot down such efforts, including in the 1950s when Arkansas tried to block desegregation of its public schools, and in the 1850s when Wisconsin sought to block laws requiring Northern states to return escaped slaves to their owners in the South.

Even so, proponents of the Idaho bill called on state lawmakers to "erect barriers" against federal expansion, calling the health care law a further step in America's march into socialism. High court justices appointed by the president can't be trusted, Leah Southwell told the panel.

"If we allow the Supreme Court to be the final arbiter in this, we are not a Republic - we are an oligarchy," said Southwell, from Coeur d'Alene. "Our founding fathers would be disgusted with us, if we were to allow that to happen."
 
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Good Stuff. I look at all of this-repug govs fighting, tea partiers, House, Courts, etc- as a means to an end. None of these will kill Obamacrap. But all these efforts combined will keep it front and center for 2012, continue to make Obamacrap unpopular,put a heck of alot of pressure on our elected officials (working already-several Sen dems possibly want to do away with mandate). All of this will nibble away at Obamacrap. How this will go down and how negatively affected agents will be? Who knows.
 
Good Stuff. I look at all of this-repug govs fighting, tea partiers, House, Courts, etc- as a means to an end. None of these will kill Obamacrap. But all these efforts combined will keep it front and center for 2012, continue to make Obamacrap unpopular,put a heck of alot of pressure on our elected officials (working already-several Sen dems possibly want to do away with mandate). All of this will nibble away at Obamacrap. How this will go down and how negatively affected agents will be? Who knows.

Correcto. The Supreme Court cases are only so-so but drive the issue. The legal angle they are trying to work in Idaho is headed nowhere but it drives the issue which can only be settled in the political arena and the court of public opinion.
 
When we are seeing the Democrats, led by Weiner, screaming for Judge Clarence Thomas to recuse himself. You have to wonder if they know that the law will be found unconstitutional.
 
When we are seeing the Democrats, led by Weiner, screaming for Judge Clarence Thomas to recuse himself. You have to wonder if they know that the law will be found unconstitutional.

The issue is a tough one for the dems to navigate. They are having a little rock throwing fest at Thomas. Problem is, all this interest in conflicts of interest and recusing that they are generating also lands in the lap of Elena Kagan. Not sure Mr. Weiner is writing her a letter too. Maybe I just need to be patient and not just assume that Mr. Weiner is politically motivated here.

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One other tidbit. It now seems extremely likely that not only will repugs maintain House in 2012, but highly probable that they will take over Senate. This, even if Obama wins in 2012, Obamacrap will look like swiss cheese.
 
I think that Mr. Weiner and the other 73 democrats who wrote directly to Justice Thomas might keep in mind that this country prides itself on keeping political interference in the Judiciary to a minimum. Not saying he should not make his case, only that it is properly made through the Justice Department which can in turn, as a party to the case, make a request for recusal based on the factors that Mr. Weiner raises. Perhaps, I am being too persnickity or perhaps I am pointing out one of the very core factors that distinquishes us from a Banana Republic.

One other little thing that Mr. Weiner might keep in mind: The case is not even before the Supreme Court so sending warning letters to the Justices about how they should handle themselves on cases that could come before them is out of order and yet another reason why Thomas will ignore it. Of course he has many reasons to choose from.

Weiner is pretty much a chowderhead, all things considered.
 
This nullification is issue is isolated. I am not hearing this anywhere else.
 
44 - House Democrats say Justice Thomas should recuse himself in health-care case

The House Democrats' letter follows a suggestion made by Sen. Orrin Hatch (R-Utah) last week that Supreme Court Justice Elana Kagan should recuse herself from any consideration of the health care law's constitutionality because of her previous position as U.S. Solicitor General.

"I think that Kagan, who was the solicitor general at the time this was all done, probably should recuse herself, which means it might not be resolved by the Supreme Court," Hatch told Fox News last week. "That means the lower court decision will be the acting law."

This nullification is issue is isolated. I am not hearing this anywhere else.

Not the same, but along the same lines, after a FL judge said Obamacrap was unconstitutional, FL decided they would not enforce Obamacrap provisions.
 
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The issue is a tough one for the dems to navigate. They are having a little rock throwing fest at Thomas. Problem is, all this interest in conflicts of interest and recusing that they are generating also lands in the lap of Elena Kagan. Not sure Mr. Weiner is writing her a letter too. Maybe I just need to be patient and not just assume that Mr. Weiner is politically motivated here.

:cool:


Maybe he is waiting for Sotomayor and Kagen to go first :yes:
 
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