Happy Treason Day!

[Travis Price]

Wow Travis. It appears everyone is wrong but you.

You've got a very busy evening on your hands. Good luck.

Everyone in this thread is incorrect, which is normal for the same 3-4 people that chime in on any issues about anyone that's Democrat.

LifeHawk thinks that Joe Biden isn't a legitimate President. Trump won the election despite no evidence.

Louis thinks Joe Biden is a racist because he picked a black and Asian person as VP. Despite interviewing people of multiple races (including our white governor.) But because he selected a black person, he's racist.

You think sex and gender are the same thing. You think that ONLY Joe Biden is sexist because he ONLY interviewed well qualified women in a Representative government.

Whatyou... thinks Progressives have all this power that we just won't admit that we're running the country..

I wish some of you were correct, objectively. It means I wouldn't have to say, "Well, that's not really right..."

Generally, it's not fun for me to call BS when you guys start with your BS... but since anyone that isn't clearly Conservative ends up getting run off when they get sick of reading you guys garbage and getting crapped on when they disagree... I'll be that guy.

I get to be the guy that shows that not everyone here acts the way you (general, you.. but also specific) do to ABSOLUTELY EVERYTHING that doesn't fit into your very narrow, generally incorrect (objectively) box.

 

[whatyouwantfinally]

Um.. Progressive haven't stormed the Capitol or the White House.

Your progressive privilege is showing. Yes, they did attempt to "shut down" the capitol to disrupt the confirmation of Kavanaugh in 2018. Because of progressive privilege, people either don't know or have forgotten that.

Yes, they did try to storm the White House (more than once, actually). Because of progressive privilege, the only thing that came of that were jokes about how Trump had to be moved to a bunker for security.

Because progressives are the most obtuse about their privilege, I'm sure that all seems insignificant to you.

Secondly, they don't loot and riot with impunity. Those people are arrested by police (when able) and held to account by the law.

1) Police are told, by progressive politicians, to stand down and let them do their thing. 2) Progressive DA's don't prosecute, and a large % of federal charges against rioters have been dismissed. People cried "fascism!" when feds dared to so much as detain violent rioters long enough to identify and release them, while there's barely any outcry at all about people (non-progressives) being held in solitary confinement for non-violent charges.

It would be like saying that the people that tried to overthrow the government on January 6th aren't being held accountable.

That'd just a false narrative.

They didn't "try to overthrow the government" any more than the progressives I've mentioned. That you're blind to the ideologically-based difference in their treatment is enough for no one to take anything you have to say about politics seriously.

That's false. It's what Representative Democracy is all about. The people select their elected officials based on how they match their personal principals.

We don't elect people off of merit. Politics is not a "job" where you're promoted on merit. It's based on electability. That's not merit... that's a popularity contest.

The US political system is not Meritocracy..

Meritocracy - Wikipedia

To think otherwise... is insanity.

You're ignoring the issue. The idea that balancing "representation" of demographics is more important than individual merit is a (destructive) progressive ideology that now permeates our society. BECAUSE of this, Biden virtue signaled to progressives by making sure we all knew he was putting demographics first in his decision.

THAT is bad.

Oh yeah? Supreme Court is 6-3 Conservative.

The Senate can essentially stop any legislative agenda that isn't under reconciliation using the filibuster.

Oh jeez, they don't have the Supreme Court and they can't unilaterally pass whatever legislation they want. Guess they'll just have to live with the schools, universities, media (of all types), communication infrastructure, Presidency...

For all the power the Libs have they sure are shitty at getting anything of consistent substance done..

Namely because they don't have a quarter of the power you're professing.

They've got the power to make a smart young man like yourself believe ridiculous things, so there's that. (I kid)

But, seriously, they've largely indoctrinated 2 generations through deliberate implementation of critical pedagogy in education. They've made huge numbers of people afraid to speak out against them for fear of repercussion (straight out of the Herbert Marcuse playbook). Legislation isn't the only measure of "power".

 

[rousemark]

Everyone in this thread is incorrect, which is normal for the same 3-4 people that chime in on any issues about anyone that's Democrat.

LifeHawk thinks that Joe Biden isn't a legitimate President. Trump won the election despite no evidence.

Louis thinks Joe Biden is a racist because he picked a black and Asian person as VP. Despite interviewing people of multiple races (including our white governor.) But because he selected a black person, he's racist.

You think sex and gender are the same thing. You think that ONLY Joe Biden is sexist because he ONLY interviewed well qualified women in a Representative government.

Whatyou... thinks Progressives have all this power that we just won't admit that we're running the country..

I wish some of you were correct, objectively. It means I wouldn't have to say, "Well, that's not really right..."

Generally, it's not fun for me to call BS when you guys start with your BS... but since anyone that isn't clearly Conservative ends up getting run off when they get sick of reading you guys garbage and getting crapped on when they disagree... I'll be that guy.

I get to be the guy that shows that not everyone here acts the way you (general, you.. but also specific) do to ABSOLUTELY EVERYTHING that doesn't fit into your very narrow, generally incorrect (objectively) box.

There you go again.. Twisting my words.. I do not think he is a racist for picking a black/Asian woman. I think he is a racist if that is the reason he picked her.

 

[WinoBlues]

And, she was chosen not only becasue she was a woman but because she was black which is racist.

No, like Obama, she is half Black.

 

[Markthebroker]

Everyone in this thread is incorrect, which is normal for the same 3-4 people that chime in on any issues about anyone that's Democrat.

LifeHawk thinks that Joe Biden isn't a legitimate President. Trump won the election despite no evidence.

Louis thinks Joe Biden is a racist because he picked a black and Asian person as VP. Despite interviewing people of multiple races (including our white governor.) But because he selected a black person, he's racist.

You think sex and gender are the same thing. You think that ONLY Joe Biden is sexist because he ONLY interviewed well qualified women in a Representative government.

Whatyou... thinks Progressives have all this power that we just won't admit that we're running the country..

I wish some of you were correct, objectively. It means I wouldn't have to say, "Well, that's not really right..."

Generally, it's not fun for me to call BS when you guys start with your BS... but since anyone that isn't clearly Conservative ends up getting run off when they get sick of reading you guys garbage and getting crapped on when they disagree... I'll be that guy.

I get to be the guy that shows that not everyone here acts the way you (general, you.. but also specific) do to ABSOLUTELY EVERYTHING that doesn't fit into your very narrow, generally incorrect (objectively) box.

No Travis, that's not what I think.

Stay woke and keep fighting. Thank god there are people like you to correct my very narrow, generally incorrect (objectively) box.

 

[tikibarrister]

person of color.

Everyone is a "person of color". Saying otherwise is racist nonsense.

privilege.

You've certainly got the Communist lingo down. Don't forget "diversity", "inclusiveness", "transgenderism", and "dreamers".

In this case, does Kamala Harris have a background that would make her a suitable VP? Regardless of if you think she's good or not, arguing she isn't qualified is a lie.

Bizarre - an opinion cannot be a lie. Someone could argue that Abraham Lincoln, FDR, or Dwight Eisenhower isn't/wasn't qualified - they may or may not be right but it's clearly an opinion.

Though it is hardly surprising that a Communist moonbat would argue that any opinion other than his own is a lie.

My opinion: anyone who would vote for a Democrat, much less run as one, is unqualified to hold citizenship, much less public office.

Generally, the left-wing is characterized by an emphasis on "ideas such as freedom, equality, fraternity, rights, progress, reform and internationalism" while the right-wing is characterized by an emphasis on "notions such as authority, hierarchy, order, duty, tradition, reaction and nationalism"

This is nonsense. The "right wing" vs. "left wing" paradigm is wildly inaccurate as anyone who's taken Political Science 101 knows. Both Communists and Fascists are at the same end of the spectrum - government control. The other end would be someone like the libertarians. FYI, Nazis - usually held up as the paradigmatic "right wing" movement - were national socialists and advocated socialism.

The left-wing wants to limit human rights, strangle free enterprise (in favor of government control of the economy), outlaw religion, murder infants for profit, eliminate national borders and destroy America, and normalize all forms of hedonism and perversion. Call it Communism or Fascism - or just plain evil - it's the same program that's been around for 100 years. Different names over that period, but presently known as "progressives" or "Democrats".

 

[Travis Price]

No Travis, that's not what I think.

Stay woke and keep fighting. Thank god there are people like you to correct my very narrow, generally incorrect (objectively) box.

I'm not "woke." That's one of those Conservative buzzwords people like to use when they're called on their BS.

Everyone is a "person of color". Saying otherwise is racist nonsense

Thanks, Mike Kelly. That's what Conservatives say to try to whitewash experiences of people that have different ethnicities.

It's like saying the only race is the human race. Technically true, sociologically untrue and really dumb to say.

an opinion cannot be a lie.

Also untrue. Opinions can certainly be lies. Marjorie Taylor Green's opinion that "Blue Green lasers caused forest fires in California."

That's objectively a lie.

Donald Trump's opinion is that we might be able to use bleach or beams of light to destroy CoVID. That'd scientifically a lie.

Your opinion that someone might or might not be a good VP is an opinion that isn't a lie. Saying that someone isn't qualified (due to their past experience in government at the state and federal level) is absolutely a lie.

My opinion: anyone who would vote for a Democrat, much less run as one, is unqualified to hold citizenship, much less public office.

Great. I don't think that the 7 million more people that voted to get rid of Trump would care. What's even worse, is that you would vote for the Conservative that was a Democrat longer than he was a Republican because he has an R next to his name. He says a few cute things you like to hear vs his actions, which are anti traditional conservatism.

This is nonsense. The "right wing" vs. "left wing" paradigm is wildly inaccurate as anyone who's taken Political Science 101 knows. Both Communists and Fascists are at the same end of the spectrum - government control. The other end would be someone like the libertarians. FYI, Nazis - usually held up as the paradigmatic "right wing" movement - were national socialists and advocated socialism

This is a false start narrative.

By your own account, you're talking about a spectrum of a political ideology. You're taking the extremist view vs a spectrum that not all people on the R or L believe the exact same things to the exact same degree.

Every Right Wing person isn't a Nationalist (Nationalism isn't the same as being a Nationalist, as we use the term now.)

Not every Left wing person is a Socialist or Communist or whatever boogeyman words you want to use.

The left-wing wants to limit human rights, strangle free enterprise (in favor of government control of the economy), outlaw religion, murder infants for profit, eliminate national borders and destroy America, and normalize all forms of hedonism and perversion.

This is indoctrination garbage that you're spewing.

I'm apparently Leftist... So, let me explain it to you..

I literally don't care what you do with your religion, sexual orientation, etc... all of that stuff is your business, not mine.

At the same time, what other people chose to do between consenting adults is not your business. You have zero right to tell them what to do, who to worship (or chose not to) or force your faith on others.

As for open borders, that's just more bs. There is no overarching plot to just let everyone in no matter what.

PS: Without legal immigration, our economy would collapse. I know what you're going to say, those partisan hacks at PBS are just pushing the liberal agenda.

4 myths about how immigrants affect the U.S. economy

You don't like abortion, fair enough.. don't get one. Let's be real though, Conservatives aren't pro life, they're pro birth.. They're generally all for the death penalty, they're generally against helping low income mothers (Regan's Welfare Queen narrative) take care of their children.

After birth, screw you and your child.

As for regulation of businesses.. Regulation keeps an economy healthy. Without it, you actually limit business opportunities and the populace at large:

Antitrust laws allow for businesses to compete instead of having one megacompany run the market.

Environmental regulations help ensure that our water is clean and our finite resources are able to replenish.

Labor regulation stops companies from treating employees like indentured servants.

What's worse, and this is where I'll leave it... literally anything that contradicts your world view is evil. I don't see it that way.

There is truth, gray area, and complete BS.

Your sewage talk is not based in reality. It's based on the garbage media that you ingest.

 

[Travis Price]

No Travis, that's not what I think.

Stay woke and keep fighting. Thank god there are people like you to correct my very narrow, generally incorrect (objectively) box.

Here's the ultimately issue:

You say something that is bs. Then when you're challenged and you don't agree it isn't just a discussion, it's that I'm "woke" or how you twist words that have no correlation to your point, OR you try to spin something that is clearly a false narrative.

It's not a discussion or debate.

It makes you look like a real asshole. I might get banned for that, and I'm pretty much okay with it.

I get it.. most of you think I'm a liberal elitist.. I'm not.. but okay.

There you go again.. Twisting my words.. I do not think he is a racist for picking a black/Asian woman. I think he is a racist if that is the reason he picked her.

No one is twisting your words. There was never any "if he picked her because she was black he's a racist." You're backpeddling.

You called him a racist because he picked a black woman. I pointed out other interviewers weren't black. Your answer was essentially "doesn't matter about interviewees if that's who he picked."

Then you liked the next quote.

No, like Obama, she is half Black.

And why does that matter?

You're ignoring the issue. The idea that balancing "representation" of demographics is more important than individual merit is a (destructive) progressive ideology that now permeates our society.

I'm not ignoring the issue at all. You're pushing merit. That's not what our politics is about.

Do you think that Sarah Palin was John McCain's running mate base merit or to help him get elected because he thought women would be more inclined to vote for him?

Elected office isn't about merit. It's about electability. That's not to say that Kalama Harris didn't work hard for her position, but the President and VP dynamic isn't about who was the best policymakers. It's about two major points:

1) Who can the President work with.
2) Who can help them win by adding something to the ticket.

But, seriously, they've largely indoctrinated 2 generations through deliberate implementation of critical pedagogy in education. They've made huge numbers of people afraid to speak out against them for fear of repercussion (straight out of the Herbert Marcuse playbook). Legislation isn't the only measure of "power

This is a fallacy, but I'll only speak for myself.. I was born and raised in Charleston, SC. My school education glorified the Civil War and downplayed slavery.

I live in NMI which is 92% white and Conservative.

I've grown up around Conservative politics my entire life. My family, who are largely apolitical, have Conservative viewpoints.

I went to night school for business. I don't watch 24 hour news networks or opinion shows for the exception of 30 minutes of Last Week Tonight, because I think John Oliver is funny...

I don't believe in things because some external force indoctrinatinf me. I believe in them because the current Conservative talking points are bullshit and are a power grab using "owning Libs" and all these culture war things are a existential threat to society.

Conservatives didn't lose the House, Senate, and Presidency because of indoctrination. They lost it because they hitched their wagon to a horrible President and people (especially the important independent voters, which I consider myself) bailed.

Instead of looking at why they lost and trying to get an actual message, the plan is to change election laws based on a lie, hitch themselves to the same loser, and pull the same playbook as they did with Obama.

Will it work? Maybe for the House as the margins are thin and it's a redistricting year. Luckily that's all they need to try to hold off until the next Presidential election cycle.

At the same time, Senate Democrats are too dumb to not use the exact same playbook as they did in 2008-2010 have to maintain power while they have the chance to make popular policy changes.

Maybe not popular to you, but while Conservatives are the overwhelming majority on this forum, their the minority in the United States.

 

[Tahoe Ray]

I hope everyone had a great 4th!

Didn't read the thread but I'm sure it's full of well wishes and big opportunities for the second half of 2021.

Good luck, everyone.

 

[rousemark]

No one is twisting your words. There was never any "if he picked her because she was black he's a racist." You're backpeddling.

You called him a racist because he picked a black woman. I pointed out other interviewers weren't black. Your answer was essentially "doesn't matter about interviewees if that's who he picked."

Apparently you can't read.. I did not say what you quote.. I said "Doesn't matter how many he interviewed if race was taken into consideration when the choice was made".