Health Insurance Across State Lines, Competition, and Premiums

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Would eliminating state barriers allow for larger actuarial groups which will help to mitigate cost increases?

Maybe, but not necessarily so.

"Pooling" of claims xs of a specified retention level already exists. Most states are large enough from a population perspective to be fully credible even with a relatively small percentage of the market. You only need a few thousand lives to be fully credible.

To allow selling across state lines you have to essentially eliminate regulation of health insurance at the state level. Doing so also eliminates loss of premium tax revenue to the states which would be a major battle.

Is it a bad thing that larger companies take on or out the smaller companies?

In spite of what the lamestream media and Congress would have you believe, there is a lot of competition and the more competitive carriers, which are usually the larger ones with deep pockets, can pretty much do anything they want to disrupt the market.

If Blue, already dominant in most markets, decides they want to run Coventry (to pick a small player) out of their market they can do so without batting an eye. In the short run this is good for the consumer. Long run may be different.

Assurant is large enough to dominate but for reasons unknown, instead only have pockets within a state where they are sometimes competitive. A carrier of that size needs to get in or out and quit toying with the idea of running with the big dogs.

One can bring down premiums without totally eliminating state or federal regulation. Simply allow carriers to offer plans with few or no statutory provisions and see what happens. Most consumers will flock to those products with premiums that are 30% or so less than "conventional" plans. Those left in the "compliance" plans will see higher increases due to adverse selection which will further broaden the spread between fully compliant plans and those that are truly bare bones but still cover everything that is really needed by a major medical plan.
 
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Going back to post #8', how can anyone "overutalize" benefits since they are contractually proscribed?
Overutilization ocurred in the zero co-pay benefit area of the plans. Anticipated (non CA experience) utilization of no-cost benefits under Lumenos was X, CA small groups utilized X plus a lot more while paying the same premium.

Actuarily, CA groups abused the free benefits under Lumenos to the degree that the rates were increased at the first focal review by almost 40% across the state.

And it should be pointed out that this was on the initial rollout of Lumenos in California.
 
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Abusing a free benefit. Gosh, never would have seen that one coming . . .
 
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And Anthem is pushing Lumenos as the flagship product in the 14 states with emphasis on those exact benefits.
 
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MORE QUESTIONS:

If states would lose tax revenues on premiums and it looks as though congress is on the path for removing some of those state rights to regulate, then why aren't states fighting as hard as you would think to stop it?
The only thing I can think of and correct me if I'm wrong is that states just figure they will blame loss of revenues on the change to the system and raise taxes on something/s else like gas or whatever......
I really don't understand why some states, particularly the larger ones, are so willing to give up their rights and responsibilities so easily- dollars drive decisions.


second set of questions: I dont know the numbers of lives that need to be covered to make a plan credible, but in low population states I would imagine it is a difficult proposition. Look at large insured, or even smaller companies- they get one or two really sick folks and they get creamed on the next pricing cycle. They start running into their stop loss coverage and the rate rockets for everyone, dont know why that wouldnt be the case for groups of individuals- that adverse selection can be mitigated by a larger pool of covered lives - spread across a number of states rather than limited by the population of your state


Wouldn't the belief that if the idea is to get the most efficient coverage and service to the largest population, that the solution is reducing the regulation and duplicitous back office work that the ins companies go through to provide in multiple states WILL reduce the overhead cost.
 
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To allow selling across state lines you have to essentially eliminate regulation of health insurance at the state level.

Correct and this would be a Democrats dream. Already in the works to some extent. In the end you have an average. State A is $100/mo. State B is $300. Middle is $200/mo. Take all 50 states average them out - there is your end game (if you are lucky).

Cost of care varies widely, but that is an easy fix under a Federal Medicare like system. The biggest issue in the cost is the state mandates, and that can not be corrected until State control is lost. That's a tough battle, a lot of hands in the cookie jar.
 
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The states stand to lose doubly in this high stakes game. In addition to the potential loss of premium tax revenue, they face the burden of funding their share of Medicaid and SCHIP expansion. Keep in mind that SCHIP was expanded earlier but the states avoided the cost of that change thanks to Obama-bux flowing to the states.

Of course that was just a "temporary" injection of money until the states can increase their tax rates to fund the Obama mandated change you can believe in.

Expect a lot of pushback by governors including Democrats on any attempt to impact state budgets. Tennessee Governor Breedeson, a Democrat, has been very vocal of proposed expansion of Medicaid.

As for what size group is fully credible, by the time you get to 500 lives most carriers consider that group to be fully credible. It doesn't mean there is no pooling, but the aggregate funding is based on net claims after pooling. So even in a state like Delaware or even Montana (big state, low population) a carrier can conceivably make a go of it with less than 1000 policyholders.

Most carriers won't make a run unless they believe they can pick up at least a few thousand lives in their first two years. To gain market share they have to compete on price. Unless they are a national carrier with a large national network they have to rent a network such as PHCS to compete. While PHCS is large, it usually isn't a top tier network so discounts are not as great as say one can find from Blue, Aetna, Humana or Cigna.

Under current rules they have to file policy forms and rates with the DOI and wait for approval. This is costly and time consuming.

Golden Rule has been trying for almost a year to get their latest generation (25) approved in Georgia. They have spent a lot of money and time trying to get an upgrade from generation 21 that is currently sold in Georgia which is 4+ years old and not very competitive.

So selling across state lines involves much more than waving a magic wand. There is a lot of money involved at the carrier level and a lot of dollars at stake at the state level.

This will not go down without a fight.
 
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Somarco: You make a great point - What is the reason carriers like Assurant don't get competitive virtually everywhere like Golden Rule? What is the reason with this company in particular? Any speculations why they don't have their own network and more competitive pricing universally?
 
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You would have to ask the higher ups at Time/Assurant. They have been in and out of the market here. The original Time plans were quite competitive and they were competitive as Fortis. Assurant has been more out of it than in, at least here. Even resurrecting the old Time name hasn't helped.

I really don't know why they rent networks rather than growing their own. All the other major carriers have their own. Doesn't make much sense.
 
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Post #26 Texas:

Splain to me why exactly this would be a "Democrats dream". (I thought Republicans were for it too or at least some?)

Is it because they want everybody to pick up everyone elses tab tab I guess?

And SOMARCO do you agree with TEX on that if you read this?

Sorry for all the questions but I find this selling across state lines to be perceived as a "magic wand" by the media and public (due to the media) so I'm trying to understand it thoroughly as I also think it is a great subject and slightly overlooked at least by us newer agents without the knowledge of some of you guys. :cool:
 
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