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[panzercanvasser]

Yeah, that's kinda what it was!!

It was also a frickin joke!!

When you say that's "kinda" what it was- does that mean you're giving yourself enough room to save face for the event that you're wrong? Or is "kinda" just an extra word you threw in there- and you're firmly asserting that this account is Doug, not one of his tenured downlines?

Is that also why you added that "it was also a frickin joke"- to save a little face in the event that you're wrong? Or are you saying that you do firmly assert that this account belongs to Doug and upon your assumption of that conclusion it becomes a self-contained "joke" of some type?

 

[panzercanvasser]

Yes Doug, that's what JD was insinuating.

Are you saying this because you had communication with JD outside of this thread and it's your role to provide a more resolute answer than what he did in his reply? The one with the "kinda" and the "joke".

I saw you liked his original, superfluous or otherwise attention-seeking reply to my rather straightforward response to the OP. So in the instance the answer to my above question is "no"- are you saying that as a way of doubling down because it would contradict your own personal expectation of this account belonging to Doug?

 

[jdeasy]

When you say that's "kinda" what it was- does that mean you're giving yourself enough room to save face for the event that you're wrong? Or is "kinda" just an extra word you threw in there- and you're firmly asserting that this account is Doug, not one of his tenured downlines?

Is that also why you added that "it was also a frickin joke"- to save a little face in the event that you're wrong? Or are you saying that you do firmly assert that this account belongs to Doug and upon your assumption of that conclusion it becomes a self-contained "joke" of some type?

WTF is wrong with you?? Save face from what?

Hurting your feelings? Get over it!

 

[goillini52]

Are you saying this because you had communication with JD outside of this thread and it's your role to provide a more resolute answer than what he did in his reply? The one with the "kinda" and the "joke".

I saw you liked his original, superfluous or otherwise attention-seeking reply to my rather straightforward response to the OP. So in the instance the answer to my above question is "no"- are you saying that as a way of doubling down because it would contradict your own personal expectation of this account belonging to Doug?

Lighten up Francis. Your word salad reminds me of Kameltoe.

You need to get you a sense of humor.

 

[panzercanvasser]

WTF is wrong with you?? Save face from what?

Hurting your feelings? Get over it!

When you ask "WTF is wrong with you"- what exactly are you referencing? Or is that just an ad hominem?

Let's break down the question of you saving face. I gave a testimonial to being Doug's downline for several years. This was to help give OP relevant feedback to his specific question. You were incredulous and made the public accusation that this account belongs to Doug or would be Doug under a secondary account, but gave no evidence. This all distracted from the topic of the thread and the serious discussion relevant to this man's career. Let's say I ghosted the conversation after you made your accusation or responded in a defensive manner- regardless of any evidence being provided that this is a secondary account of Doug's there would be reason for spectators to believe that your accusation was correct. You would have gained some sort of "win" in your calling someone out on creating a fake account to give a testimonial.

However, it didn't go like that. You made a mockery of a serious question OP had that is of importance to his career, accused an agency owner of creating a fake account to give a fake testimonial, and didn't answer a single question I posed. Unless you can start supplying answers to the questions I posed then I will say that you have no honor, and someone's dishonor being exposed is enough to have them clamor to save face by claiming their otherwise serious accusation was "a joke" and deflecting. Does that answer your question?

 

[panzercanvasser]

Lighten up Francis. Your word salad reminds me of Kameltoe.

You need to get you a sense of humor.

Classic double tu quoque. Go look that up if Latin also confuses you as being "word salad".

This wasn't a comedy thread. The man asked a question regarding a matter important to his career and there was an attempt to distort my testimonial by jdeasy and you came in as reinforcements.

So will you answer my questions that were posed?

 

[DonP]

When you say that's "kinda" what it was- does that mean you're giving yourself enough room to save face for the event that you're wrong? Or is "kinda" just an extra word you threw in there- and you're firmly asserting that this account is Doug, not one of his tenured downlines?

Is that also why you added that "it was also a frickin joke"- to save a little face in the event that you're wrong? Or are you saying that you do firmly assert that this account belongs to Doug and upon your assumption of that conclusion it becomes a self-contained "joke" of some type?

I'm going to give you a real life testimonial . One of Doug's top agents for 6-12 months Nico Armando is on face book chat boards . When Massey showed his leader board month in month out Nico was in the top 1-5 agents doing $30-$40 k every month . All of a sudden Nico's doing full time mapd telesales ( he's going to fail miserably doing Sampson the phone in multiple states .50% persistency max) . Last week I happened to catch a note from him the real reason he left Massey .A guy doing $40 k a month at 120% comp doesn't just leave . He said the persistency was terrible . That's code word he wasn't netting squat after chargebacks and lead cost . As all of us have said . Only the upline makes big money in fe telesales . That's a fact

 

[Johnny Hooker]

Classic double tu quoque. Go look that up if Latin also confuses you as being "word salad".

This wasn't a comedy thread. The man asked a question regarding a matter important to his career and there was an attempt to distort my testimonial by jdeasy and you came in as reinforcements.

So will you answer my questions that were posed?

I bet you're a hoot to hang with at party's....

 

[panzercanvasser]

I'm going to give you a real life testimonial . One of Doug's top agents for 6-12 months Nico Armando is on face book chat boards . When Massey showed his leader board month in month out Nico was in the top 1-5 agents doing $30-$40 k every month . All of a sudden Nico's doing full time mapd telesales ( he's going to fail miserably doing Sampson the phone in multiple states .50% persistency max) . Last week I happened to catch a note from him the real reason he left Massey .A guy doing $40 k a month at 120% comp doesn't just leave . He said the persistency was terrible . That's code word he wasn't netting squat after chargebacks and lead cost . As all of us have said . Only the upline makes big money in fe telesales . That's a fact

This would have been more appropriately addressed to OP. Kudos for giving some feedback to OP as I did. I imagine your feedback would be something for OP to bring up with Doug or from Nico so he can determine all of the facts. All I can do is make my own testimonial based on experience and stand firmly by it, but the goal isn't to dilute or make invalid others' as the attempt was made on my own.

I'm not familiar with the situation you're referencing, but that's one of the things I enjoy about being a UFES downline is the autonomy we are provided and the trust he puts in us as agents while also having an open door policy.

Thanks for adding legitimate content to the discourse so OP has more information.

 

[panzercanvasser]

I bet you're a hoot to hang with at party's....

Absolutely Johnny, work hard play hard!