Most carriers are reporting positive 2023 year end results but rate increases continue
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@marindependent nails it.
Imagine saying to your boss or stockholders. We grew NWP 13% knowing every policy we sold was unprofitable!
Newbies don't understand, carriers are not interested in growing (accidentally) more than they already are; UNPROFITABLY)
Imagine saying to your boss or stockholders. We grew NWP 13% knowing every policy we sold was unprofitable!
Newbies don't understand, carriers are not interested in growing (accidentally) more than they already are; UNPROFITABLY)
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Lets hammer this one so hard the door is closed for good on this topic for 2023/2024. State Farm - Who is probably the largest personal lines insurer in the Country,just reported this: "The 2023 underwriting loss, combined with investment and other income of $5.6 billion, resulted in a P-C pre-tax operating loss of $8.5 billion, which compares to the $8.3 billion loss reported in 2022."
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Not so fast.
Being an optimist, these sound like improvements. SF made a lot of changes in 2022 & they look like they paid off in a huge way.
Here me out.
Rate increases & inflation grew their total premiums by 10-15%, so $200M more in net operating losses is likely an improvement as a %.
If premium was around $200B in 2022 & now $225B, math is 2022 was a -4.15% underwriting loss & 2023 was -3.78%.
Putting my insurance commissioner hat on, this looks like consumer price gouging to have a big bad insurance carrier improving their profits by 10% last year while consumers are hurting. They should have lost $9.4B, and should refund the the $900M they didn't lose.
And if you turn a scale upside down, you could weigh the world!
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You are cracking me up @Allen Trent
"A year after recording the largest underwriting loss in the company's 100-year history, State Farm eclipsed it in 2023."
IJ
"A year after recording the largest underwriting loss in the company's 100-year history, State Farm eclipsed it in 2023."
IJ
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Newest article on their 2023 Losses:
www.insurancejournal.com
State Farm Sets Another Record With $14B Underwriting Loss in 2023
A year after recording the largest underwriting loss in the company's 100-year history, State Farm eclipsed it in 2023. The underwriting loss figure
www.insurancejournal.com
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But they also increased their value by $3,600,000,000 according to the article. that is going to rile up some politicians & regulators that cant do math or understand why
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See, I was right. Auto company collected a whopping 22.8% more premium ($10.4B in real dollars) & doubled their Auto profits for the year from minus 29.5% to minus 17.3%Newest article on their 2023 Losses:
State Farm Sets Another Record With $14B Underwriting Loss in 2023
A year after recording the largest underwriting loss in the company's 100-year history, State Farm eclipsed it in 2023. The underwriting loss figure
They are doing awesome, right? Someone that weighs 900 pounds & loses 200lbs is making great strides & much improved
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Does this translate into further rate increases? Layoffs? Commission reductions? Maybe they should consider stopping the spend on ads featuring sports people and celebrities and focus on core operational improvement. Revamp the products to ACV only etc, buy building materials and car parts directly from manufacturers, and have their own body shops and building contractors to make repairs. Non renew all frequency and shock customers nationwide (better to pay the fines to the states than to continue the claim cycle).
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