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If they had any sense - theyd just point their URL with an affiliate linki to Michael Jans websites ...
They charge pennies compared to his stuff, and they've jacked most of it from him anyhow. Who jacked it from Dan Kennedy.
Masters of Copywriting 101 [5 ebooks worth] combined with a video studio in your garage.
Their materials are great ... as long as they're FREE.
I dont care much for the guy, but Id rather see you go spend your hard earned cash with Jans than these two clowns.
They charge pennies compared to his stuff, and they've jacked most of it from him anyhow. Who jacked it from Dan Kennedy.
Masters of Copywriting 101 [5 ebooks worth] combined with a video studio in your garage.
Their materials are great ... as long as they're FREE.
I dont care much for the guy, but Id rather see you go spend your hard earned cash with Jans than these two clowns.
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Jans has been email pimping their stuff.
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For real?
They must be ex-students then ... classic!
Wondering if its the old stuff before the last quantum club upgrades?
Jans is tired of the Boot Camps maybe these guys will take over their intro work for him?
So was Bob Beck? or Michael Beck or something like that. We asked him his affiliation and he just stated they were JV'ing their lists, no real core affiliation.
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My bad. Correction: NOT Michael Jans, Michael Beck. Too many frickin' "Michaels"....
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Hello all...
Yes, I am a licensed agent, and I'd be happy to show you my license.(you can see it at my blog by clicking the link below.) Yes I did sell multiple millions in premium. Using the strategies we shared in the MASS LEAD program we just gave away.
And you can un-subcribe from my emails. Just click the link at the bottom.
We share more FREE content in our videos than any other guru/marketer/lead company gives in their paid trainings. If you don't like the vids, it's just a click away.
Beach Broker
Yes, I am a licensed agent, and I'd be happy to show you my license.(you can see it at my blog by clicking the link below.) Yes I did sell multiple millions in premium. Using the strategies we shared in the MASS LEAD program we just gave away.
And you can un-subcribe from my emails. Just click the link at the bottom.
We share more FREE content in our videos than any other guru/marketer/lead company gives in their paid trainings. If you don't like the vids, it's just a click away.
Beach Broker
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Beach - anytime someone comes in this board selling something you need to understand that most members go through most of the 7 stages of grief.
Members need to move from shock to anger and into acceptance. In the past anything of value lasts while anything without value vaporizes.
Members need to move from shock to anger and into acceptance. In the past anything of value lasts while anything without value vaporizes.
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Beach, Big C ... or whatever moniker you're using this week ...
I mean no ill will. In fact I applaud your take action attitude.
I do however, have concerns about some of your promotional materials and claims.
In one item - the Celebrity Creation System or whatever - which drones on and on and on, I kept waiting for the "way" I could become a celeb in the IT Risk niche' - but alas we never got to that point before my BS-o-meter hit eject on the Car CD Player - sorry. I mention this CD as its the only one that has arrived. In addition it mentions that youre a P&C guy - and thats my game as well. In it - and with EMPHASIS you and Big Commission [LOL] mention you're $1m in commission "revenues", and again for emphasis you repeated commission not premium.
Perhaps you were using the LIFETIME value of your book at a retention estimate of 10 years and No Attrition? Because it takes about a $10,000,000 book of p&C in contractors - due to the surplus lines decreased comm % 's to throw off $1m in yearly commissions. After 24 yrs in the biz - my p&c book trends at 10-12% - many of the guys I know that do a lot of it too trend the same. Maybe UTAH pays 20% .... California is dramaticaly lower.
Your Financial PROOF on your blog ... is a homespun Excel Spreadsheet? Dude - cmon ...
How do you manage a $5m - $10m commercial P&C book without a mgmnt system? id be far more inclined to follow the lead of team of producers who generated $1m in "commissions" and proved with their agency statements or carrier staements.
Another thing ... If im the principal of your agency and you're rockin a $5m premium or greater book ... Im doing everything I can to make you happy and not playing the alledged games you and Big Commission are espousing as the reason you - "Left the game" in another of your on site sales letters. A sales letter I might add where again you mix up the distinction between $1m in premium and commissions.
A million dollar "income" producer in P&C is a seriously big deal - at 12% avg comm - thats $6.5m in premium or greater. You'd not be playing fun n games as Beach and Big C if all that were true. You'd be on a pedastal and on the cover of Rough Notes ...
Now - $1m in premium [P&C] is a vastly different story, and basically a very avg producer at most commercial p&c shops I know in Claifornia - again maybe utah is very different. Thats a $120k a year guy GROSS, then they split that with the house at what 45 first year 25 renewal?
Again ... I have no doubt you guys can "market" to insurance agents, and probably some gullible people OFFLINE as well - for insurance products. To an agent thats never seen "marketing" before, or Dan Kennedy materials, or Frank Kerns Mass Control system - I can see where you bring some interesting stuff. "A" for effort and trying to be creative. Im not sure that being so goofy at times is really helping make a connection with professional agents and brokers.
We all like to have fun, but ... being goofballs isnt going to sell us any more policies or earn us many more clients. Im not sure my clients want a clown as an agent? I think they want some one to be playing close attention to the details of their WC X Mod, their exposures, and the marketplace to make sure they arent getting hosed by the carriers. Pretty sure thats why they hired me. Not for my celeb status. But W.T.H. do I know ... The whole james bond jive? The secret code names - Big C and Beach Broker? Is this all part of the celebrity shtick? If so Im thinking Richard Simmons - not Al Pacino ...
I had to tell my buddy who sent you guys $25 and signed up for the last webianr with the Grouchy Marketing lady - enough, I cant take it anymore - we shut the webinar down after Big C was still on slide #2 after 35 minutes.
This is really the last Im going to say about all this, and will reply if asked. I dont want a war or pi$$'n contest. I just think you guys might clear up a few things, and bring more "A Game".
Good luck
I mean no ill will. In fact I applaud your take action attitude.
I do however, have concerns about some of your promotional materials and claims.
In one item - the Celebrity Creation System or whatever - which drones on and on and on, I kept waiting for the "way" I could become a celeb in the IT Risk niche' - but alas we never got to that point before my BS-o-meter hit eject on the Car CD Player - sorry. I mention this CD as its the only one that has arrived. In addition it mentions that youre a P&C guy - and thats my game as well. In it - and with EMPHASIS you and Big Commission [LOL] mention you're $1m in commission "revenues", and again for emphasis you repeated commission not premium.
Perhaps you were using the LIFETIME value of your book at a retention estimate of 10 years and No Attrition? Because it takes about a $10,000,000 book of p&C in contractors - due to the surplus lines decreased comm % 's to throw off $1m in yearly commissions. After 24 yrs in the biz - my p&c book trends at 10-12% - many of the guys I know that do a lot of it too trend the same. Maybe UTAH pays 20% .... California is dramaticaly lower.
Your Financial PROOF on your blog ... is a homespun Excel Spreadsheet? Dude - cmon ...
How do you manage a $5m - $10m commercial P&C book without a mgmnt system? id be far more inclined to follow the lead of team of producers who generated $1m in "commissions" and proved with their agency statements or carrier staements.
Another thing ... If im the principal of your agency and you're rockin a $5m premium or greater book ... Im doing everything I can to make you happy and not playing the alledged games you and Big Commission are espousing as the reason you - "Left the game" in another of your on site sales letters. A sales letter I might add where again you mix up the distinction between $1m in premium and commissions.
A million dollar "income" producer in P&C is a seriously big deal - at 12% avg comm - thats $6.5m in premium or greater. You'd not be playing fun n games as Beach and Big C if all that were true. You'd be on a pedastal and on the cover of Rough Notes ...
Now - $1m in premium [P&C] is a vastly different story, and basically a very avg producer at most commercial p&c shops I know in Claifornia - again maybe utah is very different. Thats a $120k a year guy GROSS, then they split that with the house at what 45 first year 25 renewal?
Again ... I have no doubt you guys can "market" to insurance agents, and probably some gullible people OFFLINE as well - for insurance products. To an agent thats never seen "marketing" before, or Dan Kennedy materials, or Frank Kerns Mass Control system - I can see where you bring some interesting stuff. "A" for effort and trying to be creative. Im not sure that being so goofy at times is really helping make a connection with professional agents and brokers.
We all like to have fun, but ... being goofballs isnt going to sell us any more policies or earn us many more clients. Im not sure my clients want a clown as an agent? I think they want some one to be playing close attention to the details of their WC X Mod, their exposures, and the marketplace to make sure they arent getting hosed by the carriers. Pretty sure thats why they hired me. Not for my celeb status. But W.T.H. do I know ... The whole james bond jive? The secret code names - Big C and Beach Broker? Is this all part of the celebrity shtick? If so Im thinking Richard Simmons - not Al Pacino ...
I had to tell my buddy who sent you guys $25 and signed up for the last webianr with the Grouchy Marketing lady - enough, I cant take it anymore - we shut the webinar down after Big C was still on slide #2 after 35 minutes.
This is really the last Im going to say about all this, and will reply if asked. I dont want a war or pi$$'n contest. I just think you guys might clear up a few things, and bring more "A Game".
Good luck
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