Why I think FINRA is behind it

What does anyone think of Malone v. Addison Ins. Marketing?

"For all these reasons, the Court finds Plaintiff's American Equity contracts are more like "fixed annuities" and therefore are excluded from the definition of "security" under the Supreme Court's opinions in VALIC and United Benefit."


Plaintiff charges an intricate scheme to wrongfully market living trusts, annuities, and other securities. Because Plaintiff's complaint details a lengthy pattern, the facts in this case are best described in four phases: (1) the sale of the living trusts, (2) the transfer of Plaintiff's stocks to a new broker, (3) Plaintiff's decision to purchase two annuity contracts, and (4) Plaintiff's decisions to transfer her remaining assets to new brokerage firms and sell two life insurance policies. However, the Court's analysis of Plaintiff's claims solely concerns the sale of annuity contracts.

In 1999, Defendant Victor E. Tackett, a practicing attorney admitted to the Kentucky bar mailed out to senior citizens, a letter advertisement entitled "How to Avoid Probate" which discussed the advantages of forming a living trust. Defendant Joel Miller is an employee of Defendant ALMS, serves as a client service representative for Tackett, and is a registered agent for Defendant American Equity. After Plaintiff responded to one of Tackett's advertisements, Miller, acting on behalf of Tackett, met the Plaintiff and her husband at their home. During that meeting, Miller counseled the couple to purchase a living trust and collected detailed financial information. Based on Defendants' advice, Plaintiff paid Tackett $ 1995.00 to setup and administer her living trust. Following this sale, Plaintiff received a package of materials labeled from the "Law Office of Victor E. Tackett, Jr."

In the second phase of the scheme, Plaintiff's complaint alleges that Ciotti advised Plaintiff to transfer her stock portfolio to Defendant Sidney Mondschein "who could do a better job managing the portfolio." At the time, Mondschein was a broker employed by the Defendant security brokerage firms Financial West Group, Sentra Securities, and Williams Financial. While at Plaintiff's home, Ciotti called Mondschein who spoke with the Plaintiff and assured her he would take good care of her assets. On the advice of Ciotti and believing him to be a representative of Tackett, Plaintiff's complaint states that she "signed other documents allowing Ciotti to 'sweep' her investment account and all of its assets."

Plaintiff claims that Ciotti then pressured her "into surrendering an equitable annuity and placing money from that annuity in Ciotti's control." Additionally, she alleges that Defendants engaged in "churning" whereby they bought and sold in rapid succession dividends from her existing life insurance policies or annuities to purchase replacement policies. Defendants explained that these new polices provided greater death benefits, cash values and surrender values although they charged her exorbitant commissions and other administrative charges, costing Plaintiff thousands of dollars.

In phase three, Plaintiff alleges that Ciotti, acting as a licensed agent of American Equity, helped Plaintiff purchase two annuities from American Equity. Plaintiff purchased the first annuity contract, dated September 23, 1999, for a lump sum premium of $ 64,214.32. She designated her children as the intended beneficiaries of this annuity. On October 27, 1999, Plaintiff purchased her second annuity contract for a lump sum premium of $ 216,289.53. [Footnote 3 omitted] The intended beneficiary of this second annuity was "The Dr. Harold G. Malone and Beverly S. Malone Revocable Living Trust." It is these two annuities which Plaintiff claims are securities and which, therefore, become the focus of the motion to dismiss.

According to the annuity contract, Plaintiff purchased an American Equity product known as "The Ultimate Equity Index." The contracts state that the Ultimate Equity Index is a single-premium deferred annuity. In effect, the Index operated as an insurance plan with an investment aspect through which Plaintiff purchased a contract backed by American Equity. Under the contract terms, American Equity guaranteed Plaintiff a minimum return of 100 percent of her premium plus at least 3 percent interest annually, depending on how the S&P 500 Index fared. Specifically, American Equity agreed to pay Plaintiff an annual interest credit based on a formula tied to the performance of the S&P 500 Index during the contract year. American Equity promised Plaintiff she would always get at least a 3 percent return annually and was guaranteed more if the S&P 500 Index produced a higher rate of return. This amounted to a guarantee of 134 percent of her premium at the end of her ten-year contract term.

In phase four, the complaint alleges that the remains of Plaintiff's assets went in two directions. First, on the advice of Ciotti and other unspecified Defendants, Plaintiff transferred the remainder of her money to Financial West, a California brokerage firm which employed Mondschein. Thereafter, Mondschein advised Plaintiff to move her account to two additional brokerage houses, Sentra and Williams Financial. Second, Plaintiff alleges that in furtherance of Defendants' scheme, Defendant Van Meter, Defendant ALMs, and the other Defendants advised Plaintiff and her husband to cash in two life insurance policies. The life insurance policies had a face value of $ 100,000, but a cash out value of less than $ 10,000. Plaintiff followed this advice.


You might be right. But I think sales decreases would be due more to more direct comparison with variable annuities than from profit decreases (which would be minimal). I don't think EIA can compete with a VA with minimum benefit guarantees.
 
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You might be right. But I think sales decreases would be due more to more direct comparison with variable annuities than from profit decreases (which would be minimal). I don't think EIA can compete with a VA with minimum benefit guarantees.

Either you don't understand FIA's or you don't understand VA's, or maybe you don't understand either.

But to the point about decreasing sales, the only reason sales would decrease is because you would lose the sales force that sells FIAs. Without anyone selling the product because the sales force chooses not to register with FINRA the product manufacturers would cease manufacturing the products.

Registered FIAs do nothing to guarentee suitability anyway.
 
Why I think FINRA should win

Either you don't understand FIA's or you don't understand VA's, or maybe you don't understand either.
Maybe -- only 20 years as a pricing actuary, including manager of annuity pricing for two companies.

Carriers all price products for profits. Actuaries don't take undue risks. FIAs that pay high commissions are priced assuming lower returns to consumers.

But to the point about decreasing sales, the only reason sales would decrease is because you would lose the sales force that sells FIAs. Without anyone selling the product because the sales force chooses not to register with FINRA the product manufacturers would cease manufacturing the products.
I wouldn't either, if I couldn't pass the exam.

Registered FIAs do nothing to guarentee suitability anyway.
Do nothing? Nobody is omniscient enough to say that. Salesman hyperbole, I assume.
 
Re: Why I think FINRA should win

To me it isn't passing the exam. I took the 7 when it was still pencil and paper, a first time failure rate of 75% but I passed first time. I passed my series 3 first time, the 63 was so easy as to be a joke, passed L&H and P&C first time (2 different States). I have a knack at taking tests.

To me it is the added expenses; bureaucratic nonsense; the annual $500 FINRA fee plus the added E&O costs. I have no more room in my heart for bureaucratic nonsense. I may sell one or 2 FIA's a year and it isn't worth the time or effort to deal with a BD.

When we still had someone that was the age to need daycare, our daycare person told us of her friend working for a bank. The bank was making the friend get the series 6 license. Problem was the friend was taking it for something like the fourth time. Hm? Something should be telling said friend that maybe it wasn't her cup of tea?

In the P&C business the main thing is to find markets. What I've always enjoyed about L&H is that markets are not that hard to find. Now that may be changing.

Oh well I will just sell more commercial. I sell commercial because it is a place where the newbie agents aren't roaming. If they are roaming, a mile away I can spot a missed form in a policy. I do once in a while run into the agent that tells the general contractor that he can put his truck on a personal auto policy. Doesn't matter to the agent that the contractor is driving to multiple job sites each day, transporting materials, has ladders on the ladder racks, etc.

With all the nonsense that is foisted upon insurance people, the question could be, would I do it again. The answer is probably no. I would suspect that if they had their way agents would need to explain how level term rates are developed. Could you see the eyes of a prospect as you explain the present value of an annuity due. I can tell you for a fact they glaze over. Twenty years ago I had an entire presentation to inform the public how net premiums, level premiums, etc. were developed.
In 15 years the powers to be will say we must explain the theory of probability.

All people really care about is how much is it and can I afford it. The powers to be are the ones concerned about Net Payment Cost Indexes, etc.

Sigh!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Maybe -- only 20 years as a pricing actuary, including manager of annuity pricing for two companies.

Carriers all price products for profits. Actuaries don't take undue risks. FIAs that pay high commissions are priced assuming lower returns to consumers.

I wouldn't either, if I couldn't pass the exam.

Do nothing? Nobody is omniscient enough to say that. Salesman hyperbole, I assume.
 
What's odd to me is most financial advisors bash the sales of annuities to seniors.

Now, the tin foil hat people say that's because they're losing business over them.

To me, that doesn't make sense. Anyone in the financial industry and get their insurance license and include annuities in their portfolio.

However, I'm not seeing this done....and I'm wondering why. Why would anyone in the financial market recommend CDs to their senior clients, take a horribly low commission when they can easily sell annuities which is a better fit (?) and make 10X more?

Why aren't all the banks in the country going crazy selling annuities to their senior clients? Why would the bank rep want to talk about CDs?

Sorry about this but I have a decent relationship with my bank rep - handles my biz account and it was months ago during a heated debate on this board that I asked her about annuities. The readers digest version was yes, the bank does sell annuities but she hardly ever recommends them.
 
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Most of the seniors (and non-seniors) who complain to state ins depts are upset about cash values. Virtually all say they didn't understand, disclosure was lacking. State regulators feel pressure to help, and suitability is the easiest attack point, because agents/carriers can't often prove disclosure was adequate.

I'm no consumer complaint guru, but I've never heard of a consumer complaining that their annuity payment guarantees were too low. It's clear they're buying annuities as investments, which seems best regulated by the SEC (which really doesn't understand, or want to). Seniors soak up sympathy, so it's really hard to ignore them, especially for politicians (and their appointees).
 
The real issue at heart is annuity commissions are simply too high.

Nothing is as it is - it is only as it appears to be. And when commission are un-Godly high there will always be complaints that the sale was commission driven.

Lower the commissions. There's not a reason in the world some carriers should be offering 10% - land a $500,000 annuity and the agent walks with $50,000 commission.

That's complete insanity.

Instead, the carriers could lower the commission and put the additional money to make their products even more attractive.
 
The real issue at heart is annuity commissions are simply too high.

Nothing is as it is - it is only as it appears to be. And when commission are un-Godly high there will always be complaints that the sale was commission driven.

Lower the commissions. There's not a reason in the world some carriers should be offering 10% - land a $500,000 annuity and the agent walks with $50,000 commission.

That's complete insanity.

Instead, the carriers could lower the commission and put the additional money to make their products even more attractive.

You are right. Every insurance product under the sun should pay $100 per sale. It's nuts that a guy selling car insurance gets a $200 commission every six month's on a $1300 premium. That's $400 a year. For a car insurance policy?

Come on, 50% commish on a DI policy? That is nuts. I know people that earn even more. If someone pays $2000 DI premium, there is no way the agent earned $1000 of it.

I won't even get into the guy that earns 120% + on a term life sale.

Insanity...
 
Hm? Are you sure you are in the insurance business?

That 50% commish on that DI policy offsets the 100 other's that you didn't get. That $200 car commish, offsets the guy that constantly changes cars, needs multiple endorsements, etc. Administration doesn't come paid for by the holy water well. Someone has to pay it. I have commercial policies that pay $50 a year, that require multiple COI's be sent each year and spend much more admin time on them. After you pay yourself there must be profit, no profit, no growth. My computer program tracks admin time, phone calls etc. and I can apply an hourly rate to the trackiong. Far too many clients should be fired, dropped and sent packing. I can afford to keep them only by having the clients that are a profitable commission. The large agencies in my area pay all agents an hourly rate. For them to do so, the low payinf policies need to be offset by the higher paying policies.

Many business models work off a 20% profit margin....do you? What is your profit margin, your mission statment, do you have a written business plan?

A life policy pays a high percentage because it must be sold. If the insurance business becomes a business that isn't sales, then you can get paid an hourly Walmart wage. At that point you are just an order taker and will get paid order takers wages.

How many DI policies do you sell a year? For me the number is zero. DI is a hard product to sell and has a very narrow range of prospects that can afford to pay for it or are willing to pay for it. If the commish was 10% but premiums were raised, would that satisfy the pain? If people were knocking down the doors to buy DI, Life, etc., commissions could be lowered and income would rise on volume.

Do a internet search to see what the median wage is for an insurance agent. It is not what you call a lucrative business for the great majority of agents.

You are right. Every insurance product under the sun should pay $100 per sale. It's nuts that a guy selling car insurance gets a $200 commission every six month's on a $1300 premium. That's $400 a year. For a car insurance policy?

Come on, 50% commish on a DI policy? That is nuts. I know people that earn even more. If someone pays $2000 DI premium, there is no way the agent earned $1000 of it.

I won't even get into the guy that earns 120% + on a term life sale.

Insanity...
 
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