3 Juvenile Deliquents

[HoosierDaddy]

In my understanding, they didn't. That's the problem.

What is your understanding? Where does your understanding come from?

 

[WinoBlues]

In my understanding, they didn't. That's the problem.

#anotherreasontonothavealloramajorityof yourcontractswithoneimo.....

 

[JimmyUt]

What is your understanding? Where does your understanding come from?

This is what was posted by the agent. That is where it came from

"Thinking that everything was done and over with, I was surprised to get a call from my upline asking me what had happened. Even though I had explained to him what had happened a month or so earlier when he wanted to work out some sort of deal so that fex agents could order from this vendor at the discount price and no monthly fees.

Then things got interesting. My upline tells me that the lead vendor had called him saying that I had won the dispute (this was the first that I had heard about it). And that the lead vendor was now going to sue me and anybody else that had profited from me, unless I reversed the disputed charges. I assume that meant my uplines and carriers. The lead vendor made another anonymous post to this effect a few weeks back and has since deleted it (though I've been saving screen shots since this all went down) about everyone that profited could be sued"

 

[HoosierDaddy]

This is what was posted by the agent. That is where it came from "Thinking that everything was done and over with, I was surprised to get a call from my upline asking me what had happened. Even though I had explained to him what had happened a month or so earlier when he wanted to work out some sort of deal so that fex agents could order from this vendor at the discount price and no monthly fees. Then things got interesting. My upline tells me that the lead vendor had called him saying that I had won the dispute (this was the first that I had heard about it). And that the lead vendor was now going to sue me and anybody else that had profited from me, unless I reversed the disputed charges. I assume that meant my uplines and carriers. The lead vendor made another anonymous post to this effect a few weeks back and has since deleted it (though I've been saving screen shots since this all went down) about everyone that profited could be sued"

The simple question I would ask Josh is... Josh did you get your leads? Did you pay for them?

For the record I was not involved in this in anyway. I don't collect debt for lead venders, nor am I responsible for an agent to pay his debts. For the record

I do think agents should pay for leads and not reverse charges after paying for leads received.

 

[smokin goose]

I love Charles too. He's funny as hell and says the things that others think but just won't come out and say. I remember when he was talking about running for governor of Alabama and was going to run as a republican if he did. Said his grandmother threw a fit and said republicans are for rich people. Charles replied, "grandma, I am rich!!" But his best stuff was claiming that he was misquoted in his own autobiography.

"Listen to me, Kenny. That's not what I said." Lol

 

[Guest]

The simple question I would ask Josh is... Josh did you get your leads? Did you pay for them?

For the record I was not involved in this in anyway. I don't collect debt for lead venders, nor am I responsible for an agent to pay his debts. For the record

I do think agents should pay for leads and not reverse charges after paying for leads received.

nothing like an IMO throwing an agent under the bus on a public forum... For the record

 

[jdeasy]

#anotherreasontonothavealloramajorityof yourcontractswithoneimo.....

Why would that be a reason? And what would any reason be to not?

With one that grants releases anyway.

 

[HoosierDaddy]

nothing like an IMO throwing an agent under the bus on a public forum... For the record

Under the bus? I'm simply saying what is expected ethically. If you sell leads you should deliver them, if you receive leads you should pay for them. I don't know where the blame falls in their disagreement. That is beyond the scope of my responsibility and information that I have. We are not a gang, what is right is right.

 

[Newby]

I know you guys are just churning the waters looking for forum drama. But you're going down the wrong path.

If an agent has a problem with a lead vendor or a lead vendor has a problem with an agent and they bring it to their IMO, yes the IMO should help them.

This issue was a about a level 2 on the drama scale in my opinion.

I'll give you the play by play:

1. Vendor calls me to let me know one of our agents has reversed charges on a credit card payment for leads that he had filled. I get his side of the story which sounded legit. (Had initial issues filling the order but got it done.) I asked the vendor my main qualifying question: So if the agent pays you for the leads he got, is that all there is? Are you happy and is this done? Answer was a definite yes. That's all he wants.

2. I call the agent to get his story. Leads came in slow. Didn't return phone calls until he contested the charges. Then he got his leads but not sure if he got them all, he lost count. So I ask my Judge Judy question to the agent: If you take an inventory and the vendor has gotten you all the leads you paid for, will you pay him and be happy? Well...I don't know...It's kinda the principle...maybe. (He's not a crooked guy, his feelings were just hurt.)

Now the day right before this happened the same agent came to me wanting me to work things out so he can order additional leads through this same vendor. So I know he didn't think the leads were bad or that he wouldn't get his leads.

The other part that you guys don't know is that is the third lead vendor that this agent has had issues with that we have had to get involved in to resolve. And We have over 1,000 contracted agents and I don't remember getting involved with a single other one.

Now when the vendor comes on the forum and does a drunken rant like he did the other night, that is WAY out of line. And that's a completely different issue. That's just a drunk guy playing to the forum regulars for entertainment.

All I know is all the agents that that buy leads from that vendor feel they are pretty good and even the agent in question wanted to buy more.

And the agent is a good agent over all but is pretty much a problem child for any lead vendor. ( As in I like the city, no I like the country, no I like tele-leads, no I like mail leads, change this word, I told you to not mail this apartment building, etc.) I've never had an agent that bounces around so much.

But as far as I can tell, agent got his leads, vendor got paid and the only drama is what you make of it.

But if you are with an IMO that ignores problems, you are with the wrong IMO.

 

[WinoBlues]

Why would that be a reason? And what would any reason be to not?

With one that grants releases anyway.

Agreed if they freely release. However, people are people and they can change their mind or justify anything.

Let's say that in this case Josh's imo, sounding like Fex, decided to make it hard on Josh. They could. I assume Fex would not, but they could. I personally would not have only one or two insurance companies either.

I sure as hell would not do business with a vendor, IMO, or company that even hinted at trying to control who I did business with. They work for me not the other way around.