Angry and Frustrated!!

[tlmarketing]

What should we do with the teachers in less well performing schools?

BTW, serious question."

As far as underperforming teachers who need to improve or leave. Make sure your principals FOLLOW the established format for review, training, disipline and corrective actions. A school with under performing teachers usually has a weak prinicpal.

Please don't confuse "weak" to mean a better prinicpal should be an A hole as a solution. A better prinicpal exhuasts themselves in giving their staff every means to succeed, It may mean working with a weaker teacher to make sure the weakness is or isn't correctable.

I was taught management theory that revolved around a failed employee is a failure for the manager as the manager's first job is to make that employee successful.

The problem right now in education is most prinicpals aren't good managers. The first thing education needs to do is bring those managers (principals) up to speed. They need to be taught skills that make them better coaches of their educators.

Just a little bit wino? Unlike rocket science, solving the education problem is hard. If you want to set up a forum question to continue I would participate.

I'd love to post more here, but I promised myself to badger Bob at least once an hour today.

But I am open for long friendly debate on education. I raised two National Merit Scholars through pubic schools. I do know what or how to find success in a public school system, at least how it worked for us. And my school district isn't close to the guy from philly. From the quick look, his district looks like from the top down to be driven. But even with the results they have, the two posters are the article are typical knee jerk offs. They have no idea how good their district is, but produce that sterotypical b itch and moan.

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I think those are good points about the principal's involvement.....I noticed early on that the new teachers coming in were constantly evaluated by the principal, peer teachers working with them, many elementary classes had 2 teachers....experienced plus new teacher...the ones who did not make the grade were gone before they reached tenure, the best stayed...I had a unique advantage in that I have triplets who were usually in separate classes throughout elem and middle.

 

[xrac]

I think those are good points about the principal's involvement.....I noticed early on that the new teachers coming in were constantly evaluated by the principal, peer teachers working with them, many elementary classes had 2 teachers....experienced plus new teacher...the ones who did not make the grade were gone before they reached tenure, the best stayed...I had a unique advantage in that I have triplets who were usually in separate classes throughout elem and middle.

Triplets, now that must have been challenging.

 

[tlmarketing]

i may have to be committed by the time they graduate, but all good!!

 

[LGilmore]

I began my comments based on the original poster.. who was let go after two years.. and there was a knee jerk teachers union bash.

Actually in this guy's case the system probably did work. They weeded him out and probably encouraged him to find another occupation. The level of frustration he wrote about probably wasn't the first time, but it was a real indicator of why he probably couldn't cut it as an educator.

Most of us have never walked a mile in a educator's shoes or even know that many. Our job, as frustrating as it is, is lightyears easier. We get a difficult client, fire em and move on. They get a difficult kid? work with them all year and hope they improve because their value as a teacher is based on how much they can improve that difficult kid.

 

[lgrobinson]

The Insurance business is not about Commission it about adding value,Making a difference,and you sell benefits,after establishing a relationship with your Client.you must have a bigger reason for being in the Insurance Business.If you are successful in adding Value your Income will take care of it self .If you have to take a salary plus Commission,consider that as paying the Price.

LGRobinson

 

[funeraldirector]

The Insurance business is not about Commission it about adding value,Making a difference,and you sell benefits,after establishing a relationship with your Client.you must have a bigger reason for being in the Insurance Business.If you are successful in adding Value your Income will take care of it self .If you have to take a salary plus Commission,consider that as paying the Price.

LGRobinson

Grow up. It's all about the money...

 

[Jerard]

Grow up. It's all about the money...

Not true. Some of us actually care about other people.

 

[Larry Tew]

Here we go again. Just a week or so ago I had a reading comprehension-challenged member here call me a self-serving hack because he read a post of mine for what he wanted it to say rather than what it said. I commented about finding the balance between making a living, doing a good job for your client, and telling the truth about it.

Stephen Covey said it best in his "7 Habits". Habit 4 says this:

Habit 4: Think Win-Win
"Genuinely strive for mutually beneficial solutions or agreements in your relationships. Value and respect people by understanding a "win" for all is ultimately a better long-term resolution than if only one person in the situation had gotten his way."

No fake virtue, no apologizing for seeking a winning outcome for both you and the client, and no "hey, all's fair in the selling game".

The best way to see it and live it is... WIN-WIN OR NO DEAL!

It's not JUST about your client, and it's not JUST about you. It's about BOTH of you.

 

[jacobtn]

Re:

Just about everyone told me what I expected to hear ---as I said before the comments were ..."this is not the business for you."

I don't want to hear that.

I want to know why you think 100% commission is the way to go when pharmaceutical companies pay a base salary and many of their reps make over 100k a year.

I have many years sales experience in many different fields from mortgage protection insurance, viatical settlements, to selling autos, to selling investments. I have done outside sales. Great companies pay a base salary. They offer a company car. They offer gas incentives, they offer a cellphone and laptop upon hiring. They offer a contract with employee.
Now when I see that -- that is a solid company. A solid company will back it up with these incentives.

I just don't understand what the incentive of working 100% commission is when you can make "skys the limit" on commissions on base salary career and still have a base pay.

I dislike amway. I dislike priamerica. Gimmicky, 100% commision type companies. Yes amway, is MLM, etc.
Saying I will make 65k my first year or 70k my first year is sort of irresponsible on their part. When they dont know how much I will make. Maybe I will make 15k a year? Or maybe I will make 100k a year. Again, they don't know. So why spout off figures like that? Why even bring that up?
They should say...realistically you will make 20k your first year or more---and if you don't you do not belong in this business. Then after that we expect you to make 50k (or more) a year by your second year. Again, realistically speaking. But not this nonsense you will make 70k a year your first year. Come on! Bogus. Bogus. Bogus.

you are correct, 65k to 70k first yr income is false. It should be much higher than that, if you have any skill at all like you claim.
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The Insurance business is not about Commission it about adding value,Making a difference,and you sell benefits,after establishing a relationship with your Client.you must have a bigger reason for being in the Insurance Business.If you are successful in adding Value your Income will take care of it self .If you have to take a salary plus Commission,consider that as paying the Price.

LGRobinson

no, it's not about commission at all...

 

[tlmarketing]

Here we go again. Just a week or so ago I had a reading comprehension-challenged member here call me a self-serving hack because he read a post of mine for what he wanted it to say rather than what it said. I commented about finding the balance between making a living, doing a good job for your client, and telling the truth about it.

Stephen Covey said it best in his "7 Habits". Habit 4 says this:

Habit 4: Think Win-Win
Genuinely strive for mutually beneficial solutions or agreements in your relationships. Value and respect people by understanding a "win" for all is ultimately a better long-term resolution than if only one person in the situation had gotten his way.

No fake virtue, no apologizing for seeking a winning outcome for both you and the client, and no "hey, all's fair in the selling game".

The best way to see it and live it is... WIN-WIN OR NO DEAL!

It's not JUST about your client, and it's not JUST about you. It's about BOTH of you.

This is by far the best book that every business owner, agent, etc.. should read. If you read it, reread it, and practice the 7 habits, you and your business will reach new levels $$$ thx larry