Anybody Selling IAC?

Ok, I'm going to play "I report, you decide." I'll outline some of my concerns and I'll welcome anyone to give me their take.

IAC Overviews (1).pdf - File Shared from Box.net - Free Online File Storage

IAC Brochure.pdf - File Shared from Box.net - Free Online File Storage

1) Deductible is X3

2) No mention of benefits for in or outpatient therapy (anyone know?)

3) No on the job coverage and lacks the statement in all other policies stating that OTC will be covered so long as workers comp is not required to pay the claim.

"Any injury or sickness which arises out of or in the
course of any employment for wage or profit"

4) DME benefit is $1,000

5) Non-emergency ambulance is $1,000

6) Exclusion: "A newborn’s well-baby charges including hospital
expenses and nursery charges"

7) Exclusion: Treatment, services or supplies for any loss sustained,incurred due to or contracted as a consequence of a
covered person:a) being intoxicated;

I don't see any exclusion relating to alcohol in other carrier's brochures. So let's say I get drunk and fall down the stairs, end up in the ER. No coverage for that under this policy?

What does "intoxicated" mean to IAC? If I'm admitted and what does my BAC need to be before they exercise this clause?

As for the brochure for "IAC Personal Health Plans"


"Hospital Room and Board
Your IAC Personal Health Plan covers hospital room and board charges according to the plan you selected, on the basis of the average semi-private room rate. If the hospital does not have semi-private rooms, the plan will pay the usual and reasonable charge limited to 90% of that hospital's lowest-priced private room."

Simply put, they're going to take the state's average R&B semi-private room rate, and that's the benefit you get. If it runs more than that you're on the hook.

Example; average R&B in MD is $1,350 per day however John's Hopkins is $3,000 a day. Under this plan if you wound up in Hopkins you'd be paying the difference.


"Intensive Care
Intensive care room and board provided through in-network hospitals will be paid at the most common rate for intensive care units. If provided through out-of-network facilities, they will be paid at up to three times the most common semi-private room rate. Observation room and intermediate care unit services will be paid at a rate of up to two times the most common semi-private room rate."

Yet more exposure.
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Therapy answered:

"Occupational, Physical and Speech Therapies Applicable copay, deductible, and coinsurance apply. Maximum of 30 treatments per calendar year for any one type of therapy and up to 60 treatments per calendar year for any combination of these therapies."

I'm hoping that's just outpatient - if this is inpatient it's very lacking.
 
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I recently set up a Facebook account and have almost accidentally reconnected with some folks from high school that I have not talked to in 40 years.

How many fit into that one-room schoolhouse? :D


I'm a purest who believes in individual choice.

Nothing personal, but you can file this under "when-all-you-have-is-a-hammer-everything-looks-like-a-nail".

I don't perceive that my IFP clients get involved with me to give them a "choice". If they want a "choice", they can go to ehealth.com!

After almost twenty years, what I give them is a "recommendation". A pretty strong one too.

I've discovered over the years that the ones that don't take my recommendation (i.e. a higher deductible with comprehensive coverage including Rx, etc. if they need to lower the premium) are the first ones to complain and bitch when something isn't covered (which was their "choice").

I send 'em on their way now. Don't need the headaches.

A salesperson presents "choices". A professional advisor makes "recommendations" - and has the balls to back them up.
 
1) Deductible is X3
For out of network providers -right?


ALso - which of the plans were you looking at? The Premier is the one with the daily limit with a cap.

Let's just say I had a sports injury (weekend jock wannabe) and tore my rotator cup. I had to go the ER and then have an MRI - both on the same day. On this plan if I had the $250/$4000 then my only out of pocket for the whole visit and tests would be $250....No? Now let's say I had to see a specialist for say 5 visits - $40/visit - even though it was a specialist - No? Then I had to have surgery with a day confinment - $500 (2 x $250). So I am out of pocket say $750 for my deductible. If I was on an 80/20 plan with a $1500 deductible I would have paid $1500 the 20% on whatever the other charges where - seems like I would be worse off that way. I am missing something?
 
I can tell you now from my (now embarrassing) days with Mega Life you'll argue until you're blue in the face and won't gain an inch.

People who believe in this kind of coverage believe in it. When you say anything in rebuttal all you get in the equivalent of them putting their hands over their ears; 'la la la la la la la."

It's a waste of time. IAC is not something I'd sell to any of my clients. If you'd recommend it then have a field day.
 
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I've discovered over the years that the ones that don't take my recommendation (i.e. a higher deductible with comprehensive coverage including Rx, etc. if they need to lower the premium) are the first ones to complain and bitch when something isn't covered (which was their "choice")

The point to my rebuttal still stands - Should the carrier be faulted for providing additional options as long as all options were present?

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There are a number of other posts that require replies on this thread - but alas, I have a conf call that needs to be completed before I board my flight home. I will get around to them eventually
 
1) Deductible is X3
For out of network providers -right?


ALso - which of the plans were you looking at? The Premier is the one with the daily limit with a cap.

Let's just say I had a sports injury (weekend jock wannabe) and tore my rotator cup. I had to go the ER and then have an MRI - both on the same day. On this plan if I had the $250/$4000 then my only out of pocket for the whole visit and tests would be $250....No? Now let's say I had to see a specialist for say 5 visits - $40/visit - even though it was a specialist - No? Then I had to have surgery with a day confinment - $500 (2 x $250). So I am out of pocket say $750 for my deductible. If I was on an 80/20 plan with a $1500 deductible I would have paid $1500 the 20% on whatever the other charges where - seems like I would be worse off that way. I am missing something?

You'll see what you want to see. I made a post of my concerns, which took me all of 15 minutes to find. If you want to sell it then go have at it, I'm out.
 
1) Deductible is X3

2) No mention of benefits for in or outpatient therapy (anyone know?)

3) No on the job coverage and lacks the statement in all other policies stating that OTC will be covered so long as workers comp is not required to pay the claim.

"Any injury or sickness which arises out of or in the
Course of any employment for wage or profit"

4) DME benefit is $1,000

5) Non-emergency ambulance is $1,000

6) Exclusion: "A newborn’s well-baby charges including hospital
Expenses and nursery charges"

7) Exclusion: Treatment, services or supplies for any loss sustained,incurred due to or contracted as a consequence of a
Covered person:a) being intoxicated;

1. 3X is common. Our Blue in TX is 3X, it is seldom an issue statistically.

2. Outpatient therapy is poor on most ind policies, particularly chiropractic care - can you say ACCIDENT PLAN supplement?

3. Complex answer I'll let Ryan touch that one

4. DME is similar on other policies, my response on #2

5. NON EMERGENCY ambulance $1000? So if it is not an emergency why are you taking an ambulance? Other plans in my state have $1500 ish after ded for ambulance, not uncommon.

6. Maternity, everyone I know gets free maternity from the state.

7. Being drunk and / or cracked out is excluded from a lot of policies, generally defined as legally intoxicated.

"Occupational, Physical and Speech Therapies Applicable copay, deductible, and coinsurance apply. Maximum of 30 treatments per calendar year for any one type of therapy and up to 60 treatments per calendar year for any combination of these therapies."

Thats better than 75% of the polices on the market.
 
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