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I was relaxed ... you folks need to relax lol.
Apparently you did not read the follow-on discussion about your post with @Tahoe Ray ... you should.
BACON IS FOR CLOSERS...
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I was relaxed ... you folks need to relax lol.
Apparently you did not read the follow-on discussion about your post with @Tahoe Ray ... you should.
I did...peace.
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The longest-lived people run on a high-carb diet, and it's a big part of their secret to living to 100
Beans, whole grains, nuts, and greens are staples of those regions, while meat and cheese are rarities.
"The four pillars of every longevity diet in the world are whole grains, greens, nuts, and beans," Buettner said. "When you crunch the numbers, it's very clear that it's a 90% to 100% plant-based, very-high-carbohydrate diet. About 65% carbs, but not simple carbs like muffins and cakes — complex carbs."
Beans, whole grains, nuts, and greens are staples of those regions, while meat and cheese are rarities.
"The four pillars of every longevity diet in the world are whole grains, greens, nuts, and beans," Buettner said. "When you crunch the numbers, it's very clear that it's a 90% to 100% plant-based, very-high-carbohydrate diet. About 65% carbs, but not simple carbs like muffins and cakes — complex carbs."
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2 for $6 at Burger King... Whoopers! 
I'm still trying to figure out why I love these things at this point in my life???
I think its a hormonal thing.
I'm still trying to figure out why I love these things at this point in my life???
I think its a hormonal thing.
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Life Hawk said:
I think its a hormonal thing.
"Low-T" causes food cravings, too? That would explain middle-age male grouchiness.
I think its a hormonal thing.
"Low-T" causes food cravings, too? That would explain middle-age male grouchiness.
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Again, Buettner is clearly an ethical vegan activist who uses is "longevity" research to promote that way of eating. My daughter is currently in Costa Rica on the Nicoyan Peninsula and has been for almost three weeks. This is one of Buettner's Blue Zones. They eat rice and beans with every meal. They also eat fried eggs every morning, and pork or beef in every other meal. She is with a group of students and several of these American students are vegan and insist on making special requests of their hosts. Their hosts find it odd that anyone wouldn't eat eggs, pork, and beef and would rather live on rice and beans.
And then there is another famous blue zone - Oknawa in Japan. Buettner goes to great lengths to minimize the amount of pork these folks eat, and yet any search for Okinawan cuisine or diet leads to articles that state this sort of factoid: "In Okinawa, just about every part of the pig is used for food except for its squeal. In fact, Okinawan cuisine cannot be discussed without pork, which is an essential ingredient for a number of home cooking dishes. Pork is rich in vitamin B1, which is said to be highly effective in relieving fatigue. In order to get by in hot weather, pork is an indispensable ingredient in the daily lives of Okinawans, whose dietary habits are believed to be associated with their extraordinary longevity." Pork culture/Okinawa Island Guide
In the USA, there is a Blue Zone in California among the Seventh-Day Adventists of Loma Linda. Again, Buettner goes to great lengths to emphasize the "plant based" aspect of their diet, and not once mentions the fact that study after study has shown that "The longest-lived Adventists are pesco-vegetarians. They eat plant-based food and up to one serving of fish per day, most often salmon, well known for its heart-healthy properties. Researchers at the Harvard School of Public Health recently concluded that people who eat one to two three-ounce servings weekly of fish rich in omega-3 fatty acids — the oil that collects in the fatty tissue of cold-water fish—reduced their chance of dying from a heart attack by a third." 8 foods for a longer, healthier life
What all these Blue Zones have in common is not that they are "vegan,' and in fact are far from vegan. What they seem to have in common is that they eat more sparingly than the rest of the world, they have a rich religious culture and community culture that keeps them connected to one another and to a feeling of belonging in the world and the cosmos.
In other words, peace, not plants, is likely the cause of their extraordinary longevity.
Finally, Buettner, when he is challenged by an interviewer that these people he calls "plant based" all consume a daily 1 to 3 servings of meat, fish, and eggs, responds by saying "but its the plants. The plants are so healthy they live long in spite of the meat."
Do you buy that ine? I don't. And I don't buy it because there has never been a human baby who died from eating too much meat. But we are starting to see an alwaming number of human babies and toddlers dying due to nutritional deficiencies caused by their vegan parents withholding meat in any and all forms from their children.
Vegan couple charged with murder after baby dies from starvation
Florida Couple Nearly Starved Baby to Death on Bizarre Vegan Diet
Judge Convicts Parents After Baby Dies from Vegan Diet
Veganism is nearly a cult, imo. It tries to recruit converts by convincing them it is healthy or healthier than eating meat. If it were truly healthy, then babies wouldn't die as a result of it.
And all these studies that show "meat causes cancer" or "bacon is associated with diabetes" or "vegans have a reduced rish of heart attack" are epidemiological, primarily based on questionaires and surveys.
So consider this: If someone is eating vegan, what else have they likely reduced or cut out of their diet altogether? Sugar. A real whole foods vegan is not going out buying vegan ice cream and vegan sausage and vegan tastykakes. A whole foods vegan is not only cutting out meat but also cutting out most processed foods, seed oils and sugars.
Now, take the same study and consider the "meat eaters." The average meat eating american is also eating cookies, crackers, cereals, cakes, ice cream, pudding ... in addition to their bacon and pepperoni and rib eyes. That is, they are eating an inherently unhealthy diet from the perspective of the amount of sugar and processed crap they eat. Of course they will have a higher incident of death and disease than a vegan who has cut out the processed foods.
Why is it these "scientists" conclude that it is the meat, and not the fvcking tastykakes and ice cream that are killing folks? In some cases they have an "animal rights" axe to grind and in others they have simply bought into the whole "low-fat/high carb is health" mantra.
If someone wants to live on rice and beans, more power to him or her. If they also cut out all processed garbage they will probably also cure their diabetes, prevent heart attack and stroke, and lower their risk of cancer.
But someone could cut out all the sugars and starches, eat just meat and vegetables, and accomplish the same thing, and not require the supplements that every vegan doctor will you that as a vegan you must consume or risk death.
The only way any study could prove what so many claim, i.e. that meat is unhealthy, would have to do a study where a group of standard American diet eaters was divided into three subgroups: One group would eat meat and non-starchy vegetables, another would eat a vegan diet high in simple carbs (beans, rice, sweet potato, potatos) and the other group would eat whatever the fvck they want, just as they've been doing.
Now, over 10 or 20 years, how do the meat eaters fare compared to the vegans. My hypothesis would be that both would live longer, healthier lives than the folks eating the same of $hit. But I would not be surprised if the meat eaters didn't come out on top as far as all cause mortality.
But whenever you see an article about "meat is assciated with [insert critical illness of choice], keep in mind that that "stdy" reached its conclusion not based on any actual study that assigned people to different diet regimens. It was simply a survey, and what every survey is going to find is this: if you eat like the avergae obese American, you're going to have a higher chance of being a sick, tired, obese American. So let's blame it on the meat, and not the sugars, processed grains, vegetable and seed oils, hydrogenated oils,.
It's the meat. Give me a fvcking' break.
I can tell you I just came off near 4 years, I don't want to say diet but eating healthy (or so I thought) diet included black beans, greek yogurt with berries, whole-wheat including pasta, bread, and wraps, Quinoa, Healthy popcorn, fish grilled chicken, Vegies and so forth
I did lose a bit of weight at first but gained it back
Its been like a yoyo, Every day I would go to bed hungry whether my cals were good or bad, I would be tempted to cheat when I would gain or just sick of being hungry, then would binge then go back
I can't say whether the low carb will be good long term Yet, However, I will say after 1 week I am never really hungry, I get to leave a meal satisfied, Yes I do miss some carb items a little, but I do leave a meal feeling fulfilled
Plus I lost nearly 7 lbs in the first week with so much less effort
Plus based on the testimony of others that express the same difference but over time, Both on this forum and in my own life
I do really feel confident this will be a much better choice long term
I think the key of it is that the body, will use stored fats for energy where high carb the body craves more carbs
I cant testify on the energy and better well-being others have mentioned I feel as I am still coming out of the transition which does not feel too well
However, I can say I see the difference Where I would grab food when I felt drained as a lifeline for energy Like a quick fix Now I feel like doing that is like grabbing a fake cigarette it won't give that quick fix
Which is fine I need to change how I use food if I am to Ever get change is this yoyo ride I am on
Moreover, I am overweight and concerned when I talk to so many clients who were overweight got bad diabetes and serious health issues
So I don't really buy it, I do believe that maybe the high carbs, Which is essentially high sugar Leads to a whole host of health Issues
Could be if you don't eat the crust.
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But why would anybody do that? For deep dish, the crust is the point.
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Right, if a pure plant based diet led to longevity, then why are Hindus close to the bottom on this study?:
(Of course, Christians are only one step higher. Maybe they should quit putting donuts out in the foyer!)
