Did you just lose your favorite fraternal?

Please clarify. Are you suggesting that FEX pressures clients into spending more?
It's tony time. Tony robbins time to rise summit live right now. So I'll respond later in detail. But no I never said the word pressure. And I do not believe they acted in predatory high pressuring ways. I mean a good agent guides thier clients and there absolutely is a genuine sense of urgency that is warranted. But that's to getting insurance. Nothing to do with rate or pressure to a higher rate.
 
Please clarify. Are you suggesting that FEX pressures clients into spending more?
Ok first of all I'm not saying anything. Because it's all speculation and unknown. I don't know if we can believe kskj's reasoning. If kskj's reaosing is true then this is all probably travis's fault. He uses and teaches a script that he got from one of the original YIG guys. Can't remember his name. But the script when it gets to the dollars goes something like this. How much a month are you willing to put towards this, 175 to 200 a month? No. Ok I understand, how about 125 to 150? No ok would 100 to 125 be more comfortable to you? 75 to 100 etc. I butchered it but it's ok it's trash anyway. But that's the just. They start with a really high number and just keep lowering it but keeping it really high from the start.
I thought it was trash the second I heard it. But that's just my opinion. It obviously works because they write high premiums. But that one part may not work as well as thought if not as much business sticks and you end up with bad persistency because of it. To me in an attempt to get every dollar alot of times people are going to choose way higher than they should or probably wanted to. After saying it's too high they start thinking embarrassed and don't want to say too low or they start to think well if most others pay that much I should at least do this. The old saying you need to ask for the sale 3 times before they say yes. Well the 3rd time is 125 to 150 or 100 to 125. A statistically high rate for FE. This is going to lead to more buyers remorse and cancelations. And not just within 30 days. They will try it a month or 2 and then say I don't care if others pay that high I just can't. And cancel. So if this all is true well then we have travis to blame for this script that is going to create lower persistency. Which I happen to know that no matter what kskj's reasoning there is some truth to this script and persistency.
But with all of this being said. So what. If agency joe smo writes 1 million a year to kskj at 90% persistency. And fex writes 3 million at 80% persistency or even 75%. That's 2.25 million vs 900k. It's just a different way of doing things. Yes I understand that this script way is also going to lead to more admin work on the not takens or early cancels as well as commissions and overrides paid out, that this has to be accounted for. But math is math. Still bringing in way more business that does stick than others that those profits have to offset these losses. Maybe, I would think they would but I guess that is alot of admin cost and losing 45% of premium canceled 1st year. The more I've thought about it this does all make sense now. But things could have been communicated and had an understanding from agency to kskj.
 
As I wrote all of that. I then started to think about covid and how it changed people. We are generally more mean and like others less including our families. Covid has effected in so many different and wierd ways. So you take the travis script and combine that with people that all of a sudden realize I don't even like my family. Screw them I wanna cancel. Covid has brought out a new selfish I've noticed. But the biggest factor is cost of living. People buy these higher rates due to this script and then realize they are broker than they have ever been before. Cost of living increased by what 35% over last 4 yrs. If not more in some areas. Their income has only increased 3% after offsetting part b increases as well. So these people our people are only making 3 % more when the rest of the world got 35 to 50% more expensive. I 100% can see how this will lead to more buyers remorse and cancels. These people still don't even know how broke they really are or how to properly budget to all of the changes. It all makes the perfect storm that yes persistency may have gone to shit and that's why It worked for the first 6 yrs but now the last 3 the math is finally revealing a problem. No one did anything wrong. Just listened to travis's moronic advice and it cost you all the gravy train of carriers. But thier douches anyway so it's whatever. Not much of a loss.
But between stu and his lax underwriting. Travis and his trash script. Covids new hate towards each other. And our people broker than ever... I mean I can see it now 🤷‍♂️
 
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Ok first of all I'm not saying anything. Because it's all speculation and unknown. I don't know if we can believe kskj's reasoning. If kskj's reaosing is true then this is all probably travis's fault. He uses and teaches a script that he got from one of the original YIG guys. Can't remember his name. But the script when it gets to the dollars goes something like this. How much a month are you willing to put towards this, 175 to 200 a month? No. Ok I understand, how about 125 to 150? No ok would 100 to 125 be more comfortable to you? 75 to 100 etc. I butchered it but it's ok it's trash anyway. But that's the just. They start with a really high number and just keep lowering it but keeping it really high from the start.
I thought it was trash the second I heard it. But that's just my opinion. It obviously works because they write high premiums. But that one part may not work as well as thought if not as much business sticks and you end up with bad persistency because of it. To me in an attempt to get every dollar alot of times people are going to choose way higher than they should or probably wanted to. After saying it's too high they start thinking embarrassed and don't want to say too low or they start to think well if most others pay that much I should at least do this. The old saying you need to ask for the sale 3 times before they say yes. Well the 3rd time is 125 to 150 or 100 to 125. A statistically high rate for FE. This is going to lead to more buyers remorse and cancelations. And not just within 30 days. They will try it a month or 2 and then say I don't care if others pay that high I just can't. And cancel. So if this all is true well then we have travis to blame for this script that is going to create lower persistency. Which I happen to know that no matter what kskj's reasoning there is some truth to this script and persistency.
But with all of this being said. So what. If agency joe smo writes 1 million a year to kskj at 90% persistency. And fex writes 3 million at 80% persistency or even 75%. That's 2.25 million vs 900k. It's just a different way of doing things. Yes I understand that this script way is also going to lead to more admin work on the not takens or early cancels as well as commissions and overrides paid out, that this has to be accounted for. But math is math. Still bringing in way more business that does stick than others that those profits have to offset these losses. Maybe, I would think they would but I guess that is alot of admin cost and losing 45% of premium canceled 1st year. The more I've thought about it this does all make sense now. But things could have been communicated and had an understanding from agency to kskj.

Net $ - is subjective
 
As I wrote all of that. I then started to think about covid and how it changed people. We are generally more mean and like others less including our families. Covid has effected in so many different and wierd ways. So you take the travis script and combine that with people that all of a sudden realize I don't even like my family. Screw them I wanna cancel. Covid has brought out a new selfish I've noticed. But the biggest factor is cost of living. People buy these higher rates due to this script and then realize they are broker than they have ever been before. Cost of living increased by what 35% over last 4 yrs. If not more in some areas. Their income has only increased 3% after offsetting part b increases as well. So these people our people are only making 3 % more when the rest of the world got 35 to 50% more expensive. I 100% can see how this will lead to more buyers remorse and cancels. These people still don't even know how broke they really are or how to properly budget to all of the changes. It all makes the perfect storm that yes persistency may have gone to shit and that's why It worked for the first 6 yrs but now the last 3 the math is finally revealing a problem. No one did anything wrong. Just listened to travis's moronic advice and it cost you all the gravy train of carriers. But thier douches anyway so it's whatever. Not much of a loss.
But between stu and his lax underwriting. Travis and his trash script. Covids new hate towards each other. And our people broker than ever... I mean I can see it now 🤷‍♂️
You're jumping to lots of conclusions. That's all I'll say
 
You're jumping to lots of conclusions. That's all I'll say
Well yeah I said that in the beginning that this was all speculation. Im not psychic dude. Take a chill pill. But thats all you will say? Dont say at all if you cant be real. But anyway, I don't know. Just feels right. Pretty sure I can at least see how it would make sense now. With that being said it's not debatable that the script brings a lower persistency. Their employee has already admitted that. So you take multiple factors and put them together and could make this make sense.
 
Well yeah I said that in the beginning that this was all speculation. Im not psychic dude. Take a chill pill. But thats all you will say? Dont say at all if you cant be real. But anyway, I don't know. Just feels right. Pretty sure I can at least see how it would make sense now. With that being said it's not debatable that the script brings a lower persistency. Their employee has already admitted that. So you take multiple factors and put them together and could make this make sense.

I've been at FEX since 2017 and we've never had persistency problems company wide. If there was persistency issues with KSKJ in the last quarter, it's because the TPA they hired couldn't draft on the right day. It's actually as simple as that.
 
I've been at FEX since 2017 and we've never had persistency problems company wide. If there was persistency issues with KSKJ in the last quarter, it's because the TPA they hired couldn't draft on the right day. It's actually as simple as that.
Hey I can't agree more that kskj makes all the mistakes. But it's not so simple as that. Fex can have lower persistency because of that script probably. Now it may not have been considered an issue because companies appreciated the business and had some understanding. I defended that as well. I wasn't knocking fex agents. I stated that clearly. May have knocked your daddy but none of you. But having lower persistency is a fact. At least lower than what it could be. Your own employee said so.
 
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Hey I can't agree more that kskj makes all the mistakes. But it's not so simple as that. Fex can have lower persistency because of that script probably. Now it may not have been considered an issue because companies appreciated the business and had some understanding. I defended that as well. I wasn't knocking fex agents. I stated that clearly. May have knocked your daddy but none of you. But having lower persistency is a fact. At least lower than what it could be. Your own employee said so.

I hear what you're saying, but when I wrote Trinity regularly, my persistency was 93%. That was the year we went to Europe in 2019. (It was great to meet you and your mother, by the way. She was a hoot.)

Conversely, one could argue that I am missing sales because I'm writing mostly lay downs with a high persistency like that. Who knows.

Do I do the the FEX presentation? Unapologetically Yes! Do I really push the premium on my clients? No. My average monthly premium is $80. I find what they can afford, but I try not to leave premium on the table either. If I do, the next card they send in may involve another agent replacing me, and gathered the premium I missed.
 
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