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JD you are a man with one hell of a constitution... My hats off to you...
Foresters F.E. Contract Question
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JD you are a man with one hell of a constitution... My hats off to you...
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JD, you are just going by the name plate. You have to go by the VIN number. If it starts with a "1" it is American made. And not all Fords and Chevys are American made. And many Hondas Toyotas and others are.
I don't know of one factory worker making great wages building Hondas that has ever sent his paycheck to Japan.
I worked for Honda for 20 years and it's a great company.
Even the American icon Harley has their entire accessory line manufactured in China. You can't find a single jacket or chrome accessory that doesn't say "made in China" on it in an HD store.
On my book an import nameplate on an American product is better than an American nameplate on an import product.
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JD let's go take a tour of the Toyota plant next week. It's right up the street and you probably sell insurance to a lot of those thousands of families that "assemble" them.
Then we'll get some passports and visit the Chevy Equinox plants. That will be in China of course for the engine. Then we'll go to Mexico to watch them build the transmission. Then we'll go to Canada where they "assemble" the car. Maybe we'll fly home on the same plane that they ship all the money back to the USA on.
I don't know of one factory worker making great wages building Hondas that has ever sent his paycheck to Japan.
I worked for Honda for 20 years and it's a great company.
Even the American icon Harley has their entire accessory line manufactured in China. You can't find a single jacket or chrome accessory that doesn't say "made in China" on it in an HD store.
On my book an import nameplate on an American product is better than an American nameplate on an import product.
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JD let's go take a tour of the Toyota plant next week. It's right up the street and you probably sell insurance to a lot of those thousands of families that "assemble" them.
Then we'll get some passports and visit the Chevy Equinox plants. That will be in China of course for the engine. Then we'll go to Mexico to watch them build the transmission. Then we'll go to Canada where they "assemble" the car. Maybe we'll fly home on the same plane that they ship all the money back to the USA on.
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I don't go by the name plate. I go by the VIN and I will not buy a foreign car.
I was a field rep for the AFL-CIO for 11 years in the education division. Part of the education division was to educate our members on the foreign stuff that was presented as American made. I worked closely with Senators Ford and Byrd on the crafting of the Domestic Content legislation that would have ensured that some labeled American Made was, in fact, American Made. The republicans kept that bill killed. There was a severely weakened version passed that didn't amount to a hill of beans.
I've got exactly one client that works at the Toyota plant in Princeton, In. And exactly one that works at the Georgetown, Ky plant. Both of those I knew before they went over to the other side.
On the other hand, I did sell a policy yesterday solely because I have the union "bug" on my business card.
So, long story short, you are arguing with the wrong person about the greatness of the foreign automobile and and what it's done for this country.
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Their UL product is really good too, they have a 50000 min guaranteed ul that pays double indemity till 66 and is about 1 dollar higher than genworth per month. I mostly stick to those 2 products with them and nothing else.
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I like Jd's philosophy on this one. So Hoosier are you of the same ilk?
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Here in Tennessee our domestic car manufacturers are Saturn, Nissan, and recently Volkswagon. I'm considering buying one of the TDI diesel Jettas because they're building them here (when the plant opens in like a month) and they get around 60 mpg. Bridgestone makes tires here too.
All our manufacturing plans here are foreign owned, except Dell, but Dell's dirty little secret is that they don't actually make computers in Nashville anymore. They ship them in pre-built from China and Vietnam on cookie sheets, then pull them off in the Nashville "factory" and put them in a new box with a made in USA sticker and the manuals. The only manufacturing they do here is moving the item from one box to another with a temp they pay 8.50 an hour. They fire the temps every 3 months so they never have to hire them on full time.
The Japanese companies are 100% better to their employees. Its a shame.
All our manufacturing plans here are foreign owned, except Dell, but Dell's dirty little secret is that they don't actually make computers in Nashville anymore. They ship them in pre-built from China and Vietnam on cookie sheets, then pull them off in the Nashville "factory" and put them in a new box with a made in USA sticker and the manuals. The only manufacturing they do here is moving the item from one box to another with a temp they pay 8.50 an hour. They fire the temps every 3 months so they never have to hire them on full time.
The Japanese companies are 100% better to their employees. Its a shame.
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I'm confused now. JD said "I don't go by the name plate. I go by the VIN and I will not buy a foreign car."
If that's the case, we ARE on the same page. If you go by the VIN numbers then you are fine with American made Honda's, Toyota's, Subarus, etc. And you won't sit in an import Ford, Chevy, Chrysler, Saturn, etc.
We are in full agreement if that is the case.
My entire family is union workers. Always have been. My dad, brother, uncles, cousins, are ALL union carpenters.
There was a day when they would drive NOTHING but Fords. Now they ALL drive Toyotas. When you look at the union hall meetings you see LOTS of them. Most of the unions know that the auto workers union screwed their members over royally and are the root cause of the decline of the old American auto brands.
That mentality of Buy American no matter what crap design we put out killed those brands.
Tell the Whirlpool workers that are all losing their jobs because they are moving their "assembly" plant to Mexico that everything if OK because all the money will still come back to the USA. After all Whirlpool really is an American Company. Who cares where they "assemble" the things. Same thing for Zeneth.
Companies should be rewarded with our dollars that EMPLOY American workers AND build world-class quality products that can compete with all competition. I don't give a rats-ass if the founder of the company was American if he is trying to sell inferior junk and especially if he is building it in foreign countries and then trying to pass it off as MORE American than an American made Toyota.
This is obviously a touchy subject with me. But we are in full agreement if you are going by the VIN number starting with "1" rather than the name plate of the car. I'll get back in my American Made Honda and go sell something.
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The shame isn't that the Japanese companies threat their employees better. The shame is when American Companies treat their employees worse.
If that's the case, we ARE on the same page. If you go by the VIN numbers then you are fine with American made Honda's, Toyota's, Subarus, etc. And you won't sit in an import Ford, Chevy, Chrysler, Saturn, etc.
We are in full agreement if that is the case.
My entire family is union workers. Always have been. My dad, brother, uncles, cousins, are ALL union carpenters.
There was a day when they would drive NOTHING but Fords. Now they ALL drive Toyotas. When you look at the union hall meetings you see LOTS of them. Most of the unions know that the auto workers union screwed their members over royally and are the root cause of the decline of the old American auto brands.
That mentality of Buy American no matter what crap design we put out killed those brands.
Tell the Whirlpool workers that are all losing their jobs because they are moving their "assembly" plant to Mexico that everything if OK because all the money will still come back to the USA. After all Whirlpool really is an American Company. Who cares where they "assemble" the things. Same thing for Zeneth.
Companies should be rewarded with our dollars that EMPLOY American workers AND build world-class quality products that can compete with all competition. I don't give a rats-ass if the founder of the company was American if he is trying to sell inferior junk and especially if he is building it in foreign countries and then trying to pass it off as MORE American than an American made Toyota.
This is obviously a touchy subject with me. But we are in full agreement if you are going by the VIN number starting with "1" rather than the name plate of the car. I'll get back in my American Made Honda and go sell something.
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The shame isn't that the Japanese companies threat their employees better. The shame is when American Companies treat their employees worse.
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I guess I should have said, not just the nameplate. We are not on the same page as I will never buy a Toyota, Suburu, Nissan, Mitusbishi, Kia or any other vehicle not named Chevrolet, Ford or Chrysler. I will not buy a foreign made horse trailer either if they start bring those in here.
You didn't see any foreign cars in the parking lot at my union hall while I was local union President because we had a sign there that said, "Don't park your foreign car in this union parking lot, it WILL be towed away".
We only once had to tow one off. I also don't buy anything but Goodyear or Cooper tires. I do always check the serial numbers on the Goodyear's to make sure they didn't come from the Lawton, Ok. plant because it's non union.
The great thing, too, about buying American is that I don't have to try and justify buying American. Foreign buyers are always trying to find any little reason to justify why they do it. Just as you did here.
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JD, you know I respect you as a hard working intelligent person.
But you have drank WAY too much of the AFL-CIO kool-aid on this one. They have you brain-washed.
Let's just hope no one sneeks one of those PT Cruisers (Mexican made) or Ford Fusions (Mexico) or Chrysler 300s (Canada) in your driveway.
At least half the Chevy Silverados are made here in Indiana however they only use 60% American parts and only 60% if you count Canada as part of America (it is on the continent of North America so I guess that's why they count it.)
JD, we can agree to disagree on this one. I know I will never convince you otherwise.
But you have drank WAY too much of the AFL-CIO kool-aid on this one. They have you brain-washed.
Let's just hope no one sneeks one of those PT Cruisers (Mexican made) or Ford Fusions (Mexico) or Chrysler 300s (Canada) in your driveway.
At least half the Chevy Silverados are made here in Indiana however they only use 60% American parts and only 60% if you count Canada as part of America (it is on the continent of North America so I guess that's why they count it.)
JD, we can agree to disagree on this one. I know I will never convince you otherwise.
