Here It Comes: Governement Health Plan

What the heck "World Health"?

How about giving the $63,000,000,000 to the thousands of Americans without work!

How about using it for "Health Reform"?

How about "Tax Cuts" ?

Crap, the only way this country is going to change is to destroy it, turn it into rubble and start over.
 
TXINSURANCE said:
There seems to be a huge misconception that GI will ONLY occur with a mandate. I think those who truly believe that will be in for a huge wake up call next year.

I do NOT see GI coming off the table under ANY circumstance.

Pre ex will still apply for large breaks in coverage (maybe 6 month wait is my guess). Rate ups, waivers, age, and male / female rates are as good as gone IMHO.

I am betting money GI will be in all 50 states by 2010.

I hope I am wrong, but everyone is on board with GI with or without the mandate.
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Correct.

There are those who believe that the carriers will only accept GI as part of a package that includes a mandate. That is what they want. I dont think they are holding enough cards to dictate what they want and that is the crux of the discussion.

I do think the little kumbaya love fest that is going on in Washington will break into a dogfight though if there is no mandate but there is GI. Good. Let the games begin. Might as well get on with it. In regard to the meeting the other day that left some feeling so hopeful, I didn't see a damn thing of substance come out it. Bunch of fluffy talk about people from all parts of the spectrum sitting in the same room and agreeing to hold costs down for the first time. Fluff, all fluff.
 
robliano said:
Do you think they might want to address the illegal immigrants that cost the health care system a nice chunk?
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Apparently they are addressing this. The plan, as I understand it, is to extend coverage to them. If they cannot afford it, it will be provided by the taxpayer.

Somehow, this appears to help in reelection. Personally, I think there will be a backlash to this. Then there will be some individuals on TV that say how this saved their childrens lives. Then everything will be okay.

Dan
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Having a mandate would surprise me. I might be surprised, but I don't see how this will happen. It would be the first time the government mandated any type of personal insurance requirement simply because you breath.

Yes, you are required (by the state) to have auto insurance, but only if you drive. The requirement does not cover you, but the person you may injure. The bank may require coverage for your car, the government does not. Even with this requirement, people don't have auto insurance.

Likely, they will come up with some language around proving 'financial responsibility' upon using health services. You either have insurance, or put cash on the table. No insurance? Sign here. This will feel to many like a mandate, have toothless enforcement (no health service), and basically make use the the GI coverage. It will also allow hospitals to not have to eat up their profits covering uninsured individuals. It will now eat up the profits of evil insurance companies, or of the evil 'rich' people who pay taxes.

Dan
 
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healthagent said:
Can't find that stats but some states show as high at 30% of their motorists driving without insurance.
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I could be wrong, but what if the Feds say "if you don't provide a health insurance certificate to your boss or to us, we'll just take a premium out of your paycheck"... like they do for Medicare, etc.

States could do the same with auto insurance... make everyone pay a tax for this even if they don't drive. TTBOMK people without children pay school taxes. Those not on Medicare pay FICA.

There ARE solutions, but you guys who belong to the "party of no" don't seem to have any.

Show me how to keep the current private sector and still provide a system to CONTROL health care costs (which is the crux of the problem) and we'll listen. But all I hear from you guys is "It's all those immigrants who are causing health care to be so expensive." Or I hear "The government screws everything up"... but I have not heard any of you advocate the abolition of Medicare or SSI, etc.

There is no perfect solution in a democracy (or republic) and there is only ONE solution in a dictatorship.

We ARE going to get a new health care finance system. You guys would be better advised to come to the table with some SOLUTIONS instead of just the constant gloom and doom bitching that goes on here. (We heard it all back in 1963 when Medicare was debated. How did that work out for you neo-cons?)

If you have a good idea, write it up, send it to the President and copy your legislators and clients and post it on your website.

If you do that and you don't get you way, THEN you have a right to bitch. But not until you get off you big fat Rush Limbaugh ass and DO SOMETHING.

You young neo-cons with your entitlement mentality are so lazy... you want "it all" without working for it. Well, in the real world (which ain't the rural South where so many of you on this board live) decisions are made by those who show up.

There must be upwards to 1,000 agents on this board who would give their first-born to preserve the current system. But do I see purveyors of gloom and doom doing anything to organize or coalesce you guys into doing something about it? What you NEED are some ACORN people to get you off of your butts!!!! :yes:

If you want to see YOUR ideas brought to the table, then do something about it! What a bunch of cry babies we have in this venue.

Just a thought.

Al
 
Al

What is your solution? Oh yeah, pay doctors less money.
Actually, if you take the time to read, many ideas are being discussed. I hope you are okay with an open discussion without name calling.

Seriously, be part of the discussion, or don't bother. It's rare that I get so tired of the tirades that I respond to them, but you have now hit that point. It is time for you to stop whining and start discussing (leaving name calls out of it).

Dan
 
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