Here It Comes: Governement Health Plan

[Mr. Bill]

I bet the docs will all be super happy when they're being paid the same wages ($100,000 per year) as nurses, according to the recommendation of one of our beloved forum members. Yep, that will make them really happy.

Maybe an extra dollar or two for each year of service.

 

[jsd1239]

I bet the docs will all be super happy when they're being paid the same wages ($100,000 per year) as nurses, according to the recommendation of one of our beloved forum members. Yep, that will make them really happy.

Maybe an extra dollar or two for each year of service.

Mr. Bill, your 100% correct, the nurses do far more for patient care then the doc's do.And they don't make anywhere near ($100,000) a year, more like($50,000 to $60,000)The doc's see a patient for five or ten minutes, nurses take care of that patient for a minimum of 8 hours a day. Doctors talk about how many hours a day they work, ask a nurse how often they get off on time, or don't get a lunch or break. I speak from experience, I'm married to a coronary care nurse.

 

[djs]

Nurses salaries must vary greatly. Most RN's seem to make over $100,000 a year in my area (taken from the person who budgets the payroll for them in a hospital). The top earners are on POTUS's list and make over $250K a year.

Yes, nurses, not doctors.

Yes, my mom was an RN and my sister still is.

Dan

 

[jsd1239]

Nurses salaries must vary greatly. Most RN's seem to make over $100,000 a year in my area (taken from the person who budgets the payroll for them in a hospital). The top earners are on POTUS's list and make over $250K a year.

Yes, nurses, not doctors.

Yes, my mom was an RN and my sister still is.

Dan

Their salaries, must vary by location, My wifes base excluding overtime (when the hospital OK's overtime, which is very seldom) is about $68,000 per year gross. For an RN that's in the Cleveland,Ohio area. The only hospital I know of in our area that pays close to $100,000 a year for an RN with a BSN is Cleveland Clinic.

 

[wildcat]

Hey, I'm doing my part. Starting with energy, I check my tire pressure weekly. Isn't that supposed to lower our oil dependence? And as far as healthcare, I'm eating more greens.

 

[moonlightandmargaritas]

The doc's see a patient for five or ten minutes, nurses take care of that patient for a minimum of 8 hours a day. Doctors talk about how many hours a day they work, ask a nurse how often they get off on time, or don't get a lunch or break. I speak from experience, I'm married to a coronary care nurse.

Nurses do work very hard indeed, but I don't see too many of them performing delicate, intricate cardiac surgeries though.

If they want to be remunerated like physicians, they always have the option of going to medical school, and putting in the time to get the education.

That's why doctors make more money.

 

[Guest]

Legislators don't listen to agents. They DO listen to groups like NAHU. You are aware that at least some of us are members of NAHU. I pay them to do if for me in dues and PAC money.

(snip)

My ideas, and those of many other agents are put into the hands of organizations like AHIP, NAHU, NAIFA who are specialists at working with politicians and government administrations. Kind of like AARP is a specialist for seniors. Should every senior write about crappy Part D, or should they let their dissatisfaction be brought to the power people by AARP? I would suggest AARP carriers more weight in Washington that a group of disgruntled seniors writing lots of letters. Same for agents.

Well, you have been in this biz longer than I have so I'll defer to you on what would constitute proper political activity, however I got this today... and it seems to contradict your message above:

Dear NAHU Members,

With the momentum for passage of national health care reform legislation growing almost daily in the House and Senate, helped along by support from health care stakeholders like NAHU, we are redoubling our efforts this week to send a strong and clear message to our elected officials: "Help us to help you" achieve sustainable and equitable solutions.

Congress and the White House must hear directly from you - and from your clients - that the value and role of the professional benefit specialist is more important than ever in helping employers, individuals and families attain health and financial security.

Even if you have sent this message on another occasion, please participate in this additional grassroots communiqué.

There are some who still believe, incorrectly, that agents and brokers are merely administrative fluff that make insurance more costly.

So we are encouraging ALL members to participate in this very important and pivotal Operation Shout message to emphasize how important a role we play in helping to make health care happen.


Maybe Dave is right, but I've always believed that "Decisions are made by those who show up." I've also believed that a personal letter or phone call from a constituent weighs far greater than a bunch of form-letters generated from an interest group's web site or visit from the lobbyist.

But what do I know? (Winter can answer that one for you!!)

Al

 

[Delta76]

You young neo-cons with your entitlement mentality are so lazy... you want "it all" without working for it


Now what group of people are you talking about? Seems the folks with the entitlement mentality are mostly black.

One of my clients is a dental assistant at a community dental clinic in the rougher part of Minneapolis. Daily, the receptionist is yelled at by the Somali population using the clinic because they charge a $20 co-pay (that's it, otherwise completely free). They aren't even U.S. citizens, probably don't pay much if any taxes, and think it's completely unfair they have to pay anything! That mentality, no matter what race, is what will ruin this country.

 

[Dave020]

There's more, hold on

 

[Winter_123]

But what do I know? (Winter can answer that one for you!!)

Al

You know lots of things. In fact you know many things that arent even true. No matter.

With regard to the lobbying and contacting legislators, do you remember how Americans felt when the Mexican community for immigration reform started protesting and parading with the Mexican Flag. They might as well have slit their own throat. Fortunately for them they knocked it off the next day. Well that is what the reaction would be if agents protested or decided to become high profile. People fear that the country is just swarming with sapsucker insurance agents so why dont we appear en masse and confirm their worst fears.

Support your clients in making free choice available and staying out of bureaucratic medicine. With choice and freedom and differences between plans comes the need for agents, at least to the extent that they/we will be needed. There is no overt lobbying move here for agents that will not make things only worse. Covert by speaking through others is another story but of course that is the nature of almost all public lobbying- making it look like the heartland folks want your position because no one in fact cares about you.

Of course the irony is that the politicians are masters at it. Hillary can tell agents to "find another job" but she is just pretending to speak for the folks who would otherwise be telling her and all the other pols to find a real job. And so it goes.