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If you are "required" to attend sales meetings, you are entitled to minimum wage payment for those hours. Just ask AAA in California.
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I could take my sales force totally out of the field to attend go to meeting webinars which always seem to be scheduled during prime-time selling hours. When you have a few guys looking for an excuse not to produce excessive meetings and training sessions are just that.. excessive.
It looks like some of these offending carriers would put together training modules that agents could access after hours instead of being pulled out of the field during normal "business" hours...
It looks like some of these offending carriers would put together training modules that agents could access after hours instead of being pulled out of the field during normal "business" hours...
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im new to the business and i need some meetings to help train me in becoming more successfull. Id say, just offer the meetings to the staff at off peak hours and make it optional.
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Thanks guys! Your replies confirmed my suspicions.
@VADwayne, I coudn't agree with you more. They (meetings) are anti-climatic--and have an inverse effect. They actually make me bored and sluggish. All/most of the vets don't come. Most of the agents are new and/or fresh out of college and probably don't understand corporate nature, or more would be complaining, as opposed to just us more mature kids.
@1manshow, my co-worker said the same thing, that our manager is on an ego binge, and needs constant validation as well as his/her team of micro-mgrs.
@Frank, I am captive. The agency has a lot of good qualities, but the meetings are like VA said are, counter-productive. I can see where maybe the youngest, and/or the less motivated may need their hands held. But many of us while new come from seasoned profesional backgrounds, and many hold advanced degrees. As one co-worker said, it's insulting (the degree of micro-managing). They spend time giving out gold stickers for things like most calls in a day. And we all sit and cheer for that repetively. UGH! I feel like I regressed back to grade school. I don't need gold stars and banana stickers to motivate me. I could be like on poster it's wasted time that I should be prospecting, learning, & being PRODUCTIVE. I don't mind true training meetings, but routine talkfests feel like I'm a stuck in a daily filibuster.
@stormtracker, was AAA sued? I was reading about labor laws on the US Labor board. Some people are getting even more screwed than we are. Jeez. There are some shady employers out there working people for free doing things outside their job description and commission base for free (a stylist was told to come in and clean her boss' office/area on her day off. An installation tech on commission, is forced to complete jobs for free when his employer gives out coupons, etc). They said the same thing, a minimum wage has to be realized in the very least.
@Chumps, mtn, marketing and all, yes those would be more ideal meeting arrangements. Least I have confidence if I leave, it's not the same all over.
They treat us like pre-industrial age sweatshop workers. I feel like Oliver Twist at times. They even made not so gentle suggestions that we should sale sale sale during TG dinner.
Happy Thanksgiving EVERYONE, and thanks for the comments. Don't stop to eat and socialize with family, SALE SALE SALE.
@VADwayne, I coudn't agree with you more. They (meetings) are anti-climatic--and have an inverse effect. They actually make me bored and sluggish. All/most of the vets don't come. Most of the agents are new and/or fresh out of college and probably don't understand corporate nature, or more would be complaining, as opposed to just us more mature kids.
@1manshow, my co-worker said the same thing, that our manager is on an ego binge, and needs constant validation as well as his/her team of micro-mgrs.
@Frank, I am captive. The agency has a lot of good qualities, but the meetings are like VA said are, counter-productive. I can see where maybe the youngest, and/or the less motivated may need their hands held. But many of us while new come from seasoned profesional backgrounds, and many hold advanced degrees. As one co-worker said, it's insulting (the degree of micro-managing). They spend time giving out gold stickers for things like most calls in a day. And we all sit and cheer for that repetively. UGH! I feel like I regressed back to grade school. I don't need gold stars and banana stickers to motivate me. I could be like on poster it's wasted time that I should be prospecting, learning, & being PRODUCTIVE. I don't mind true training meetings, but routine talkfests feel like I'm a stuck in a daily filibuster.
@stormtracker, was AAA sued? I was reading about labor laws on the US Labor board. Some people are getting even more screwed than we are. Jeez. There are some shady employers out there working people for free doing things outside their job description and commission base for free (a stylist was told to come in and clean her boss' office/area on her day off. An installation tech on commission, is forced to complete jobs for free when his employer gives out coupons, etc). They said the same thing, a minimum wage has to be realized in the very least.
@Chumps, mtn, marketing and all, yes those would be more ideal meeting arrangements. Least I have confidence if I leave, it's not the same all over.
They treat us like pre-industrial age sweatshop workers. I feel like Oliver Twist at times. They even made not so gentle suggestions that we should sale sale sale during TG dinner.
Happy Thanksgiving EVERYONE, and thanks for the comments. Don't stop to eat and socialize with family, SALE SALE SALE.
Are you considered an Independent Contractor? IF you are, I would say that who ever is running the operation had better not make them mandatory meetings. IRS has their eyes out over Statutory Employee status. The State Workers Comp people also can look you over.
I keep my State's Workers Comp rules on my bookshelf to show to people that "think" their employee is an IC but in reality they are a Statutory Employee. Just because a person signs an IC contract doesn't mean you as the agency owner aren't running afoul of the State and Fed rules.
Mandatory meetings or other mandatory requirements is one way to go from IC to Statutory Employee. To the mandatory requirements, Give up the ego, the fines and back taxes are not worth it.
I keep my State's Workers Comp rules on my bookshelf to show to people that "think" their employee is an IC but in reality they are a Statutory Employee. Just because a person signs an IC contract doesn't mean you as the agency owner aren't running afoul of the State and Fed rules.
Mandatory meetings or other mandatory requirements is one way to go from IC to Statutory Employee. To the mandatory requirements, Give up the ego, the fines and back taxes are not worth it.
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