JD.. Can you share that number? I was think of picking up Gerber for GI but have decided against it. If the people are in such bad shape I can't write Settlers Bronze or ti the bronze cost is prohibitive, then I would rather no write them. Those sales are not much more than a charge back waiting to happen..I can't sell it. I have a rate sheet that a client gave me. When I run across someone that has to have GI then I tell them about MoO and give them the number to call.