Obama Getting Ready to Declare Victory

[Winter_123]

Obama is getting ready to declare victory on a senate bill that only Harry Reid has seen in detail. Howz that for transparency?

Little side note to Barry: The House might like to see it and vote on it too.

 

[HealthGuy]

Winter: I am so tired of the entire thing. I appreciate the daily play by play but at this point, I could care less. Its like, pinch me, kick me, poke me - I don't feel a thing. What they are going to do or not going to do is going to be what it is. They don't care that the people don't want it, they want to ram it up our collective A$$ anyway.

 

[Winter_123]

Winter: I am so tired of the entire thing. I appreciate the daily play by play but at this point, I could care less. Its like, pinch me, kick me, poke me - I don't feel a thing. What they are going to do or not going to do is going to be what it is. They don't care that the people don't want it, they want to ram it up our collective A$$ anyway.

Well, then tune it out.

 

[HealthGuy]

I can't I am so drawn to your Condi pic. Then I read your posts.

 

[TXINSURANCE]

The "merge" vote is a dead issue I believe they only need 51 votes to merge once this huge hung of garbage passes, which it will.

 

[stuy119]

They're getting what they deserve for taking on a chunk of the problem instead of the entire problem. First, it was about health CARE reform. This led to a seemingly smaller issue of health INSURANCE reform. Which leads to nothing, except people being pissed at the Dems for not doing something with their majority.

Which means nothing gets done. LMAO.

 

[djs]

Hmm, I'm not so easily convinced. They are probably still a few votes shy, but now from the more liberal side, plus Nelson.

At this point, this bill does nothing for cost containment (correct me if I'm wrong, I haven't read it, but whats been discussed doesn't help). It does offer more coverage to individuals through some guarantee issue requirements.

It costs the taxpayers $100,000,000,000 a year. Figure there is 300,000,000 people in the US. That means everyones share to get to status quo is $333 a year. Then you have to pay your health insurance premium on top of that. So, a family of 4 will see an increase in taxes (maybe not directly, but, if not it will come somewhere), of about $1300, in addition to paying their health insurance premium, which won't change, or at least, won't go down.

Based on this, I have missed the point of what the bill is doing. Unfortunately, I think many people have.

They are in the pass something, anything, mode. We'll fix it later.

Governors are lining up to revolt. But that is a different story. The fed doesn't care.

Dan

 

[Winter_123]

The "merge" vote is a dead issue I believe they only need 51 votes to merge once this huge hung of garbage passes, which it will.

It is complicated from a parliamentary point of view. The Constitution says that bills requiring revenue have to be introduced in the House. The Reid bill is not the House Bill it is Reid's bill which is a Senate Bill, not to be confused with the Senate Baucus bill. By voting to merge it with the house bill they make the senate bill an amended house bill which gets them around the constitutional requirement that a revenue bill must be introduced in the house. However, the house still needs to vote on the merged, amended and conferenced bill since it is not the one they approved the first time around.

Of course it is even more complicated than that because they can use the reconciliation process to settle some of the revenue provisions but cannot use reconciliation to settle non-revenue pieces of which significant pieces of the bill are. Anything that requires anyone to do this or that (mandate, guaranteed issue etc) cannot be approved through reconciliation. Some of the parliamentary stuff they are still trying to figure out so I am not going to say definitively what their lawyers can even figure out yet, but I believe it needs to go back to the house.

If not, then I stand corrected along the way.

 

[somarco]

My understanding is that it does need to go back to the House. Princess Nancy can take the bill as is and put it to a vote or try and change it.

They just barely made it through the House, but remember it threw out abortion funding (Stupak amendment) and had a public option. The "new" bill doesn't contain the Stupak language nor the public option.

It just barely squeaked through as is (what was it, 6 votes?). A chance this one may not pass IF it get's through the Senate.

Without the public option they may lose some liberal Senate votes. So even though they caved to Lieberman, doing so may have killed off any support from the uber left wing Dems.

None of this matters if they waive enough of our tax dollars under the nose of the left leaning Dem's to buy their vote.

 

[0b1kanobee]

If it comes down to the wire, I think Obama will be able to get a couple of votes to swing his way if he needs it. It's like that with every President pretty much......