Obama's State of the Union Address

[Josh]

I listened to most of it and overall I thought it sounded good. Hell, it sounded great in parts. I like the idea of not paying subsidies to oil companies, that sounded great. I enjoyed other parts of it as well, but most of it is theatre. I also liked him throwing out the idea of conceding on tort reform which I think is an important step at curbing healthcare costs.

I like to think of myself as a progressive and independent man who can think for himself and adjust his position based on changing information. I tried to listen to this address with an open mind and honestly, he almost started to remind me of that blind guy from NY that is a lot of fun to pick on. I had the opportunity to shake Governor Patterson's hand after hearing him speak and my opinion of him changed quite a bit after listening to him. I was living in NY at the time and the state has been in trouble for years with it's absurdly irresponsible spending policy. Gov. Patterson said point blank that when he was in the state senate he would not only support, but sponsor $50 million led abatement programs or any other programs and projects anyone wanted under the logic of "it's only $50 million". He then went on to say that he saw the error of his ways and how foolish that was and said something to the effect of "if you sponsor enough $50 million dollar bills eventually you'll end up with a $14 billion deficit." It's tough to tell the sincerity in Obama's voice, but he might even be going through that transition now. He sounded like he was ready to cut back spending and start really trying to balance the checkbook. The man is brilliant, there is no question about that. If Obama cares enough to become an expert on the budget and becomes committed enough to the cause of America regaining it's financial stability I think the man has a shot at a second term. If Patterson was running for President I'd vote for him in a heartbeat. Blind or not, that man has become converted to the gospel of how a budget works and if Obama can get over the agenda he had and start acting like a financial conservative, that's the change I hope for.

 

[Clint]

Let's see, reviewing last years SOTU along with this years SOTU....second verse same as the first. More Jobs, Big Bad Companies, This year it was Big (bad) Oil, and Insurance, More 'clean' energy (clean coal?), Less spending. Parade 8 random people from America, use it in the speech.
Results- Zero.

Al, I'm consider myself middle, I really do. But these words sound rather hollow. I think that the speech, the SOTU, is a slight sounding board, no more, no less than what the President allegedly wants to do [though I suspect complacency is the standard bearer]. However with the amount of concessions and back room deals that politicians give to each other for votes; I've frankly become quite cynical.

 

[djs]

I didn't listen to any of it. I already knew big picture what he would say (jobs, economy, deficit, etc). Did he give any specifics on how he will accomplish any of this stuff?

It's great to say we need to do all kinds of stuff and also balance the budget, its another matter to actually do it.

Dan

 

[Josh]

Dan,

He went into some detail. It's certainly worth watching, you can find it easy enough thanks to our friends at google.

 

[Suis]

What do you think of Obama's State of the Union Address?

With all the lies he tells, with all of his "spread the wealth" ideas, and tax and spend and with the state of our country today - what does it matter what he says anymore? He didn't do what he said last time so why believe him now? And "cowtowing" to China's Hu - just another degrading act he's done in the name of the US. He obviously knows nothing about running a great country. I know Chicago politics and he did not deserve to be President. Just like his friend Emanuel is "fighting the system" to get what he wants. Heaven help us. I hope the conservatives can get us back on track. We just gotta' pray!

 

[sonofthetis]

I'd like to read specific ideas on how we are going to have a spending freeze for the next 5 years and "redouble down" on infrastructure development as well as scientific and educational improvements.

Cap and Trade?
Tax the hell out of everyone?
Take away Pelosi's plane? (Oh, we did that one)

 

[ShanHikari]

If you are one of the three to four million arch-conservatives in the US seeking a return to both Alabama of 1958 and Tombstone of 1888 (which is 95% of the subscribers to this board) no doubt you hated every word... as much as you hate the speaker.

My bet is that the other 300+ million near the middle of the political spectrum (a bit on each side of center) think it was an excellent speech in that it embodied the spirit and optimism of America as opposed to the pessimism of the past and those who want to return to it.

A return to the Alabama of 1958 or Tombstone of 1888? I understand the poor jab that your trying to make but it doesn't really suit the topic?

There isn't really any need to hate the speaker, I hate his politics. Solid evidence supports the fact that REDUCING the national debt and government spending will INCREASE the amount of general income for the population which in return creates more revenue for the government in the long run then raising taxes and social welfare programs.

That is the largest load of pure and utter crock I've heard in a long time. The whole idea of mixed seating was so it would be hard to tell who was clapping. How can you be so naive as to think that an increase in spending would help people? Hows about the results of the first few stimulus packages? Nada!

This "social welfare" crap has to go. I'd tired of paying my share of taxes to people that are ignorant asses that can't even hold a job. LET THEM BURN. In my opinion, its the freedom to THRIVE that makes people want to work, I wouldn't want to work for free?! You realize that in California we pay $29,000 dollars per student per year. FOR WHAT, they come out ignorant liberals that feel that they are evil if they don't vote for the black man. I'm not racist, I don't care if he was so black he turned blue, all I care is that he runs the country as it should be, and that would be responsible.

Al I'd tell you to listen to many of Reagan's speeches but I doubt that you would have the copacity to understand past the words, "Good evening."

Yes Al this is a direct attack at you and all liberals. Don't bother calling me, don't bother emailing me, if you feel that I'm a horrible and misinformed person that results to name calling and other negative aspects go ahead and report me. I'll tell you this, I frankly don't give a dam since I'm sick and tired of dealing with people of your kind.

Good God I feel as though I walk into an mental hospital when I'm talking to you Al.

"But but but, that's not a very nice thing to say, OR VENOM"" as you and a few others will respond. Good going screwing our country 1 vote at a time. Well Al if people wanted what your Lord and Savior Prince Obama wanted maybe you wouldn't have lost so many seats in the House. Surprise Surprise?

I'd take back President Bush over this loser pretending to be President any day.

"Bush created the whole economic collapse!" REALLY the banks fail due to the repeal of the GLASS STEAGLE ACT which who repealed?! But I'm sure you thought every American deserves a loan! How horrible everyone deserves a chance! I 100% COMPLETELY DISAGREE. 20% down and payments do not exceed 1/4 of your monthly income.

"Its for the children!" Yea sure as hell is for them, the bill that is.

UHHH I just want to scream and rip my hair out when ignorant sticks like you come on here preaching about nonsensical crap that. But that's okay its your right under the First Amendment. BUT SO IS MY REPLY and I DON'T GIVE A DAM IF ITS VENOM.

2014 A BETTER CHANCE AT A BETTER FUTURE
1 TERM ONLY

ONE
BIG
ASS
MISTAKE
AMERICA

Sincerely you proud and libertarian tax advocate and insurance broker,
Brandon Brookes

 

[Mr. Bill]

A return to the Alabama of 1958 or Tombstone of 1888? I understand the poor jab that your trying to make but it doesn't really suit the topic?

There isn't really any need to hate the speaker, I hate his politics. Solid evidence supports the fact that REDUCING the national debt and government spending will INCREASE the amount of general income for the population which in return creates more revenue for the government in the long run then raising taxes and social welfare programs.

That is the largest load of pure and utter crock I've heard in a long time. The whole idea of mixed seating was so it would be hard to tell who was clapping. How can you be so naive as to think that an increase in spending would help people? Hows about the results of the first few stimulus packages? Nada!

This "social welfare" crap has to go. I'd tired of paying my share of taxes to people that are ignorant asses that can't even hold a job. LET THEM BURN. In my opinion, its the freedom to THRIVE that makes people want to work, I wouldn't want to work for free?! You realize that in California we pay $29,000 dollars per student per year. FOR WHAT, they come out ignorant liberals that feel that they are evil if they don't vote for the black man. I'm not racist, I don't care if he was so black he turned blue, all I care is that he runs the country as it should be, and that would be responsible.

Al I'd tell you to listen to many of Reagan's speeches but I doubt that you would have the copacity to understand past the words, "Good evening."

Yes Al this is a direct attack at you and all liberals. Don't bother calling me, don't bother emailing me, if you feel that I'm a horrible and misinformed person that results to name calling and other negative aspects go ahead and report me. I'll tell you this, I frankly don't give a dam since I'm sick and tired of dealing with people of your kind.

Good God I feel as though I walk into an mental hospital when I'm talking to you Al.

"But but but, that's not a very nice thing to say, OR VENOM"" as you and a few others will respond. Good going screwing our country 1 vote at a time. Well Al if people wanted what your Lord and Savior Prince Obama wanted maybe you wouldn't have lost so many seats in the House. Surprise Surprise?

I'd take back President Bush over this loser pretending to be President any day.

"Bush created the whole economic collapse!" REALLY the banks fail due to the repeal of the GLASS STEAGLE ACT which who repealed?! But I'm sure you thought every American deserves a loan! How horrible everyone deserves a chance! I 100% COMPLETELY DISAGREE. 20% down and payments do not exceed 1/4 of your monthly income.

"Its for the children!" Yea sure as hell is for them, the bill that is.

UHHH I just want to scream and rip my hair out when ignorant sticks like you come on here preaching about nonsensical crap that. But that's okay its your right under the First Amendment. BUT SO IS MY REPLY and I DON'T GIVE A DAM IF ITS VENOM.

2014 A BETTER CHANCE AT A BETTER FUTURE
1 TERM ONLY

ONE
BIG
ASS
MISTAKE
AMERICA

Sincerely you proud and libertarian tax advocate and insurance broker,
Brandon Brookes

I NOMINATE THIS FOR POST OF THE DAY!!!!!

 

[FEproducerKen]

A return to the Alabama of 1958 or Tombstone of 1888? I understand the poor jab that your trying to make but it doesn't really suit the topic?

There isn't really any need to hate the speaker, I hate his politics. Solid evidence supports the fact that REDUCING the national debt and government spending will INCREASE the amount of general income for the population which in return creates more revenue for the government in the long run then raising taxes and social welfare programs.

That is the largest load of pure and utter crock I've heard in a long time. The whole idea of mixed seating was so it would be hard to tell who was clapping. How can you be so naive as to think that an increase in spending would help people? Hows about the results of the first few stimulus packages? Nada!

This "social welfare" crap has to go. I'd tired of paying my share of taxes to people that are ignorant asses that can't even hold a job. LET THEM BURN. In my opinion, its the freedom to THRIVE that makes people want to work, I wouldn't want to work for free?! You realize that in California we pay $29,000 dollars per student per year. FOR WHAT, they come out ignorant liberals that feel that they are evil if they don't vote for the black man. I'm not racist, I don't care if he was so black he turned blue, all I care is that he runs the country as it should be, and that would be responsible.

Al I'd tell you to listen to many of Reagan's speeches but I doubt that you would have the copacity to understand past the words, "Good evening."

Yes Al this is a direct attack at you and all liberals. Don't bother calling me, don't bother emailing me, if you feel that I'm a horrible and misinformed person that results to name calling and other negative aspects go ahead and report me. I'll tell you this, I frankly don't give a dam since I'm sick and tired of dealing with people of your kind.

Good God I feel as though I walk into an mental hospital when I'm talking to you Al.

"But but but, that's not a very nice thing to say, OR VENOM"" as you and a few others will respond. Good going screwing our country 1 vote at a time. Well Al if people wanted what your Lord and Savior Prince Obama wanted maybe you wouldn't have lost so many seats in the House. Surprise Surprise?

I'd take back President Bush over this loser pretending to be President any day.

"Bush created the whole economic collapse!" REALLY the banks fail due to the repeal of the GLASS STEAGLE ACT which who repealed?! But I'm sure you thought every American deserves a loan! How horrible everyone deserves a chance! I 100% COMPLETELY DISAGREE. 20% down and payments do not exceed 1/4 of your monthly income.

"Its for the children!" Yea sure as hell is for them, the bill that is.

UHHH I just want to scream and rip my hair out when ignorant sticks like you come on here preaching about nonsensical crap that. But that's okay its your right under the First Amendment. BUT SO IS MY REPLY and I DON'T GIVE A DAM IF ITS VENOM.

2014 A BETTER CHANCE AT A BETTER FUTURE
1 TERM ONLY

ONE
BIG
ASS
MISTAKE
AMERICA

Sincerely you proud and libertarian tax advocate and insurance broker,
Brandon Brookes

I disagree with you on almost everything in this post. Everyone who has collected welfare and or unemployment and or welfare during this economic downturn did not do so to get a free ride. The redistribution of wealth talking point has been proven false by the documented transfer of wealth in the past 10 years. There is more money going to big business (Oil Companies in particular) via subsidies and tax advantages than to millions of hungry and needy children in this country, and at a time when they Big oil has made and continues to make record profits. Nothing wrong with making a profit but don't do it on the taxpayer's dime. The big GOP push for big business through tax breaks for the top 1% income population right now has to do more with diving into those deep pockets for re-election funds than what is best for the counrty. If you think Obama is the only one lying to you then you have been snookered by the lies of the right wing. The only way we will get out of this mess is to stop hanging on what we WANT to believe and searching for some truth. Corruption and greed is our problem and will probably always will be and no one political party is exempt either.

 

[Norwayguy]

A return to the Alabama of 1958 or Tombstone of 1888? I understand the poor jab that your trying to make but it doesn't really suit the topic?

There isn't really any need to hate the speaker, I hate his politics. Solid evidence supports the fact that REDUCING the national debt and government spending will INCREASE the amount of general income for the population which in return creates more revenue for the government in the long run then raising taxes and social welfare programs.

That is the largest load of pure and utter crock I've heard in a long time. The whole idea of mixed seating was so it would be hard to tell who was clapping. How can you be so naive as to think that an increase in spending would help people? Hows about the results of the first few stimulus packages? Nada!

This "social welfare" crap has to go. I'd tired of paying my share of taxes to people that are ignorant asses that can't even hold a job. LET THEM BURN. In my opinion, its the freedom to THRIVE that makes people want to work, I wouldn't want to work for free?! You realize that in California we pay $29,000 dollars per student per year. FOR WHAT, they come out ignorant liberals that feel that they are evil if they don't vote for the black man. I'm not racist, I don't care if he was so black he turned blue, all I care is that he runs the country as it should be, and that would be responsible.

Al I'd tell you to listen to many of Reagan's speeches but I doubt that you would have the copacity to understand past the words, "Good evening."

Yes Al this is a direct attack at you and all liberals. Don't bother calling me, don't bother emailing me, if you feel that I'm a horrible and misinformed person that results to name calling and other negative aspects go ahead and report me. I'll tell you this, I frankly don't give a dam since I'm sick and tired of dealing with people of your kind.

Good God I feel as though I walk into an mental hospital when I'm talking to you Al.

"But but but, that's not a very nice thing to say, OR VENOM"" as you and a few others will respond. Good going screwing our country 1 vote at a time. Well Al if people wanted what your Lord and Savior Prince Obama wanted maybe you wouldn't have lost so many seats in the House. Surprise Surprise?

I'd take back President Bush over this loser pretending to be President any day.

"Bush created the whole economic collapse!" REALLY the banks fail due to the repeal of the GLASS STEAGLE ACT which who repealed?! But I'm sure you thought every American deserves a loan! How horrible everyone deserves a chance! I 100% COMPLETELY DISAGREE. 20% down and payments do not exceed 1/4 of your monthly income.

"Its for the children!" Yea sure as hell is for them, the bill that is.

UHHH I just want to scream and rip my hair out when ignorant sticks like you come on here preaching about nonsensical crap that. But that's okay its your right under the First Amendment. BUT SO IS MY REPLY and I DON'T GIVE A DAM IF ITS VENOM.

2014 A BETTER CHANCE AT A BETTER FUTURE
1 TERM ONLY

ONE
BIG
ASS
MISTAKE
AMERICA

Sincerely you proud and libertarian tax advocate and insurance broker,
Brandon Brookes

I second the previous motion! Do you guys in California really spend $29K per student per year for Elementary education?