Reform: Public Option Hits Rough Spot

[Winter_123]

Here we go. As discussed, Olympia has been plotting with the moderates.

"The Trigger" is Obama's worst nightmare. It allows congress to support health reform but still get re-elected back in their districts after the public smartens up about the red ink everywhere. His plan does not. He needs to worry about this one.

Obama got Olympia to cross the aisle on the spendulus package which I think was stupid but it gave her enormous credibility with the dems. The price Obama is going to pay is that she is going to get some of them to cross over to her camp this time. We are not talking Arlen Specter here. She doesnt need to do anything other than what she wants to do to get re-elected. She has no opposition whatsoever on the home front and she has plenty of clout in Washington.

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[TXINSURANCE]

Because as you know Winter our fine representatives in Maine know all about health care reform! It is amazing the representatives in the WORST states in the country are mapping out our nations future health care options, only after they have all failed miserably in their own home states.

 

[Winter_123]

Because as you know Winter our fine representatives in Maine know all about health care reform! It is amazing the representatives in the WORST states in the country are mapping out our nations future health care options, only after they have all failed miserably in their own home states.

A valid point indeed. Nevertheless, politics makes for strange bedfellows and occasionally there are opportunities to make chickensoup out of chickensh*t.

Couple things about Maine that could be true of some other states as well: The party that is represented in the statehouse is not necessarily the same one that is sent to Washington. We have two Republican Senators and a democratic governor and legislature. As in every state (the civilized ones anyone) everyone tries to stay chummy and represent the interests of the state in working with everyone else but that does not mean that they dont think their party and philosophy could do better.

In addition, the State had/has a state run health program (Dirigo) and even among the complete loons there is almost no one left who doesnt think that we have some of (if not the) highest rates in the country and the state run progam has been a complete and total flop. The program has not accepted a new client in almost two years. The legislature keeps trying to fund it in oddball ways and the public objects or rejects it at referendum.

So, yes, Olympia represents a state where health care financing has been a total disaster and the free market essentially destroyed. On balance, it is not such a bad thing to have some players at the national level who have seen guaranteed issue not work at the state level, provided that they were not one of zambonis who supported and implemented it in the first place. Olympia is not.

My view is that Olympia is far enough to the left to influence democrats but conservative enough to kill the public option piece. Only a moderate can do that but the moderate needs to have clout. Olympia is helping so far by saying she will object to the public option piece. When she stops being helpful (as on the spendulus package) then I will throw her under the bus.


We shall see. As we know, the Repubilcan Party is in disarray and there are no real men left so you have go with what you have.

 

[Freddie]

The good news is today is:

SCOTUS smacked down Obama's mugging of Chrysler shareholders. This is a big deal. TARP may eventually be ruled unconstitutional.

NY state Senate - two Dems jumped ship and went GOP so the Senate in NY is back in GOP hands. Gov. Paterson's poll numbers are rock bottom and still dropping.

Also in Europe left wing parties got smashed in the elections in landslides.

Corzine will probably lose this year in NJ governor race.

Today Rasmussen showed a 17% swing in the last month where Dems were like +11% on the economy and now they are -6% versus the GOP. So the public trusts the GOP more on the economy. The point is the Kenyan-born Bozo KoolAide is wearing off and the unemployed are waking up that life under Bush wasn't so bad. People actually had jobs last year.

The whole point is the pols in DC should be worried because the American public is mad, RAPIDLY losing patience with Bozo and the 2010 elections are not that far off.

The public in western Europe is even madder and in every country except maybe Denmark - they are mad at leftwing political parties.

Also Repubs raised big money tonight at a fund raiser.

 

[Paradigm]

The good news is today is:

SCOTUS smacked down Obama's mugging of Chrysler shareholders. This is a big deal. TARP may eventually be ruled unconstitutional.

NY state Senate - two Dems jumped ship and went GOP so the Senate in NY is back in GOP hands. Gov. Paterson's poll numbers are rock bottom and still dropping.

Also in Europe left wing parties got smashed in the elections in landslides.

Corzine will probably lose this year in NJ governor race.

Today Rasmussen showed a 17% swing in the last month where Dems were like +11% on the economy and now they are -6% versus the GOP. So the public trusts the GOP more on the economy. The point is the Kenyan-born Bozo KoolAide is wearing off and the unemployed are waking up that life under Bush wasn't so bad. People actually had jobs last year.

The whole point is the pols in DC should be worried because the American public is mad, RAPIDLY losing patience with Bozo and the 2010 elections are not that far off.

The public in western Europe is even madder and in every country except maybe Denmark - they are mad at leftwing political parties.

Also Repubs raised big money tonight at a fund raiser.

Its the natural cycle... This time the dems made a strategic error and they pushed too far too fast and there is an election in 2010 oops and all of the house have to run for reelection oops

 

[stuy119]

The big issue is stalling health insurance reform until the 2010 elections.

 

[motoxxx]

Man I think the big issue is stalling ALL OF THE AGENDA! I would think that if they want to really reform health care, they should start by fixing medicare and social security.

On top of all of the health care talk, their is the CIFTA treaty which creates a national data base for all fire arms in the nation and gives access to that data base to 29 other countries that don't have gun rights.


My dad once told me that the second amendment exists for when the politicians ignore all of the others.