Some Life Agents Have A Lot Of Nerve !

[scagnt83]

Where did you get that stupid sheit from anything I said?

Let me be clear. IN ADVANCE.

From this:

there is absolutely nothing wrong with door knocking, gated communities or otherwise.

And other statements you made.

I am not against door knocking. I am against agents breaking the law to do so.

Like I said, maybe where you live it is legal. But it is not legal in most cities to door knock a gated community, or any residence/community that has a no solicitation sign posted.

 

[Jerard]

Re: Banker's Life Agents Have A Lot Of Nerve !

Let me be clear. IN ADVANCE.

Getting "advanced" permission from the local authorities has nothing to do with this discussion. If a person should happen to get permission from some local Sheriff to kill a particular person that doesn't take away the fact it's still murder. We have been discussing the ethical aspects of door knocking gated communities. This only has to do with you and the opinions you leave behind regarding insurance agents with the residents. You may be really good at it along with getting your advanced permission, but that still doesn't make it right.

 

[MisterRandyWatson]

From this:

And other statements you made.

I am not against door knocking. I am against agents breaking the law to do so.

Like I said, maybe where you live it is legal. But it is not legal in most cities to door knock a gated community, or any residence/community that has a no solicitation sign posted.

So you're of the opinion that I'm advocating breaking the law?

Um kay.

I suppose that's the straw man position you'd have to put me in order to justify all the nonsense you're saying.

I've been cold knocking for longer than you've had pubes. If you need help on how to do it effectively and legally, I'd be glad to help. I'd go so far as to call it an expertise of mine. If I need help on being a drama queen who jumps to conclusions, I'll ask you -- it looks like that would be your area of expertise.

 

[scagnt83]

Re: Banker's Life Agents Have A Lot Of Nerve !

So you're of the opinion that I'm advocating breaking the law?

Um kay.

I suppose that's the straw man position you'd have to put me in order to justify all the nonsense you're saying.

I've been cold knocking for longer than you've had pubes. If you need help on how to do it effectively and legally, I'd be glad to help. I'd go so far as to call it an expertise of mine. If I need help on being a drama queen who jumps to conclusions, I'll ask you -- it looks like that would be your area of expertise.

Im good on door knocking... I will leave that type of market to you.

You are the one who said that it doesn't matter if it is a gated community. And legally it matters. Maybe not where you live, but where most people live it matters.

The tone of your posts clearly show how unprofessional of an agent you are.
So does your disregard for the law.

You can name call and condescend all you want.... you are only making yourself look worse.


And I could care less how long you have been in the business. It doesn't mean jack about your professionalism or what kind of an agent you are.

I could care less about drama. But I do care about unethical or illegal sales practices by agents. And saying that "it doesn't matter if its a gated community" is advocating illegal and unethical sales practices. Which makes the whole industry look bad. Jerard was right on the money about how this once respected profession came to be thought of how it is today.

You might not consider D2D sales in gated communities or "no soliciting" communities illegal... but most municipalities sure do... again, yours might not.... but most do.

And its not a "straw man" position... it is pure fact based on the comments you made multiple times. You can condescend me all you want... it does not change the law or your previous comments.

 

[MisterRandyWatson]

Re: Banker's Life Agents Have A Lot Of Nerve !

Im good on door knocking... I will leave that type of market to you.

You are the one who said that it doesn't matter if it is a gated community. And legally it matters. Maybe not where you live, but where most people live it matters.

The tone of your posts clearly show how unprofessional of an agent you are.
So does your disregard for the law.

You can name call and condescend all you want.... you are only making yourself look worse.


And I could care less how long you have been in the business. It doesn't mean jack about your professionalism or what kind of an agent you are.

I could care less about drama. But I do care about unethical or illegal sales practices by agents. And saying that "it doesn't matter if its a gated community" is advocating illegal and unethical sales practices. Which makes the whole industry look bad. Jerard was right on the money about how this once respected profession came to be thought of how it is today.

You might not consider D2D sales in gated communities or "no soliciting" communities illegal... but most municipalities sure do... again, yours might not.... but most do.

And its not a "straw man" position... it is pure fact based on the comments you made multiple times. You can condescend me all you want... it does not change the law or your previous comments.

Here goes the drama queen again.

I'll let you have the last word though. You know nothing about me or my practice, and at this point you're 500 feet above the shark you've jumped over.

 

[Dan3211980]

As an ex Bankers agent, I was kind of hoping this thread was more about bashing Bankers... let me clarify; the company. Not the poorly paid, slave driven agents that don't know any better.
Nothing wrong with door knocking. All within legal boundaries of course. But IMO if you don't do it at least every now and then, your not hungry enough or don't have a spine. Just MO....

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[yogooglethis]

Re: Banker's Life Agents Have A Lot Of Nerve !

I understand bitching about Bankers' agents, but there ain't nothing wrong with knocking on doors, gated communities or not.

Nothing wrong except the BL agent was blatantly breaking rules set forth by the gated community.When I got access to drive in this gated community they let me in because I stated I was there to see Mr. Jones and they confirmed that I did have a pre set appointment with mr jones.Now if my real intentions was to get in to see mr jones first and then cold call other t65 prospects living in this upscale community the rest of the afternoon that would mean I told a bold face lie to the security guard at the booth about my intentions.It would also mean that I have no respect for my client because I am sure he would not be happy if he found out I abused his trust in me when he vouched for me as someone who could be trusted to gain access to enter his gated community.

Having an insurance agent cold knock on your door is bad enough for most people but knowing that that agent lied and cheated just to get access to your front door is appalling.Why should anybody trust a person with something as important and serious as an insurance contract that would do that?

 

[xrac]

Pure nonsense. This kind of thinking is one reason why a whole generation of people are now dying largely without insurance. Look at the history of our profession. Door knocking was how life insurance was sold. Plenty of great men, much more professional, ethical, and productive than you ever could hope to be made a great living with kitchen table sales by way of the cold knock. Hate on individual companies or individual agents all you want, but there is absolutely nothing wrong with door knocking, gated communities or otherwise.

Amen! AMEN! Amen!!!!!!!!'

 

[OHFE]

Re: Banker's Life Agents Have A Lot Of Nerve !

Went to an appointment today with a T65 suspect who lived in very upscale country club gated community and we joked about how popular you get when you turn 65 with all the mail and phone calls from insurance agents and carriers.I made a comment that at least he doesn't get people knocking on his door since his gated community requires that all visitors are to placed on a list and all visitors are verified by the guard before entrance.When my client told me that in fact they did have an insurance knock on their door I was a little shocked at first but then I thought a minute and asked Where they from Banker's life? Yep.Of course who else would have the nerve to do that.It was the usual Banker's MO - one agent knocks on the door while the other agent waits in the get away car parked in the street.The best part of the story is that my client said he was mad as hell about this and called the agents manager to complain about the agent door knocking in his gated community and the Bankers Life agent manager said that his agent claimed that she gained entrance because the gate was left open.This really pissed off my client because he knew the guy was lying through his teeth because his community has 24 hour gaurd service at the entrance and then to top that off the sales manager tries hard to make an appointment to discuss the matter in person!!! These Banker's agents have a lot of nerve which can be very useful in this business but to bad they are the most unethical scumbag agents in the world.

Why do Bankers Agents do it that way with one going to knock on the door and the other waits in the car? I spent a day with another agent and he had worked with Bankers in the past and insisted that only one of us go to the door. I thought it seemed creepy!!

 

[Dan3211980]

Why do Bankers Agents do it that way with one going to knock on the door and the other waits in the car? I spent a day with another agent and he had worked with Bankers in the past and insisted that only one of us go to the door. I thought it seemed creepy!!

That's part of their training. In theory, they want agents to learn from each other, or from more seasoned agents. They encourage you to ride with each other. Also, if your on a field day solo you had to set 6 appntmts, riding with someone you had to have 8 appntmts combined.