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It's been a LONG time since American Republic was competitive.American Republic had a big in house telemarketing operation there in Des Moines until about 10 years ago. They would call around and find people who would talk to them and just ride them until they bought. They would call them 20 times since the agents were on the clock mostly anyways. I would knock them out of 3 or 4 houses and while I was doing that they were on the phone stealing one of my customers. I can't remember the details of their fall but it had something to do with money problems.