22 Years Old and My Ears Are Open

Hoorah55

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Hello everyone, I recently just joined this site in hopes of finding a group or small community of people to help me, mentor me, and critic me as I journey through life selling insurance and other financial products.

The background:
I currently have:
-Life/health/accident insurance license
-series 6
-series 63
-3rd year at CSUS, gpa 2.7ish (mostly because of failed GE classes non-related to business, I begin my first upper division class this fall. College gpa is not my forte, but I make up for it with the effort I do outside of college studies).
-A full list of a warm market that I'm sitting on

My past, my present, my future:

I signed on with Primerica in 2010. Now, now.. don't be so ready to jump the gun and shoot me down, I do realize they sell overpriced term life, and that the ethics in most offices aren't what I would consider honest. I simply paid into this company, shut my mouth, opened my ears, and educated myself as far and as fast as I could go. In one year I earned 3 state licenses for $600ish, I kept my warm market list instead of being suckered into giving it up, and I now have a very good foundation of knowledge to take my first steps at running the show.

presently, I'm just waiting.. I could continue on to the next license, but that would require me to sell products or recruit. I feel bad for pulling the rug from my mentor who's taught me so much, but I simply cannot work for a company where I know better competition exists, and that a policy I wrote could be replaced easily by a better competitor company. I'm not brainwashed to sell term term term, either, I understand that there are many options and many different customers to size up with a product. Term is nice, its my bread and butter, but a cookie cutter idea can't fit every single customer every single time. I'm on a mission to learn every single corner, angle, and dark shadow of the insurance industry before I become a salesman. Help me learn more. I want to learn more.

My future involves me leaving my company and sacrificing my licenses (but it should be easier getting them back with compounded knowledge). After I do that, I am currently focused on Transamerica, because from the basic research I've done... they sell competitively cheap term, they have a 100 year track record, and they sell a wide variety of products that I can use good ethics and knowledge to give my customers the best service I can give. Other companies I've heard a lot of dirt on them, and it worries me that I'm in a dark room trying to search for a company that can say they are honest, ethical, and humanitarian. Do they exist? I believe they can, but I need more time to search and research.

My question to ask fellow members reading this novel of a post, is:
1. Does this story sound good so far? Am I on a good track or could I do better doing something different? How can this story improve?
2. I really need some good info on 401ks, pension plans, annuities, whole/universal/varible life (situations where it actually works and isn't replaced by term, or types/stereotypes of customers these policies are designed for, how do these policies win?). These are my weaknesses in knowledge.
3. In a world of darkness, manipulation, deceit, and bad intentions, where can any student such as myself find a beacon of light for a company that won't brainwash them into salesmen, and instead empower them with full industry knowledge?

I realize every company is designed/structured to make me into a salesman and a recruiting machine. Here's my small rant on being a salesman, because I know I can sell/recruit but I choose not to. I won't sell a product until I have achieved an entry level of mastery of knowledge on all products. In other words, until all the right answers become 2nd nature to me, I don't feel equipped to sell to a multi-millionaire a product because subconsciously I will feel inadequate. If I can't write an autobiography of the steps I took to achieve my accomplishments in life, then Im no good as a mentor or as a recruiter. Why pull someone in, if I can't lead them to the best of my ability? I will move a mountain if I need to so that I can achieve this mentality. I feel it is so much easier to talk the talk, when your walk the walk is actually running. What are your thoughts on this belief of mine? Am I right for being so stubborn on salesmanship and pursuing knowledge first? Money is not a concern to me in this age, I live beneath my means, and Im very happy with what I have.

Thanks for reading and any comments are greatly, greatly appreciated. I look forward to having a fun discussion with whomever decides to stumble across my message :]
 
IMHO you're over analyzing it. There will always be a better product and someone selling it for less. You have to learn how to prospect and close and learn from your own mistakes. See what works best for you. To an extent you gotta "Fake it till you make it."
 
Honestly, this business is not for you. This is a ready, fire, aim type of business where you learn on the fly. Hopefully you prove me wrong, but I would bet against you. If you're determined, the answe is below.

There is always much more to learn, you will never be ready to sell. Joint work is your answer. You bird dog, the other person sells, and you give up 50% while learning. The client gets what they need. Everyone wins.
 
First, if you are talking about Monumental (Transamerica), you will have to give up your FINRA licensing = bad move. Find you a good GA that is also a FINRA branch manager. See what they focus on, what training is available, mentoring, etc..
 
Don't give up your FINRA licenses. Go find a Pru office or see if you can catch on at an Edward Jones. Its always nice to see someone take the time to plan their attack but I agree with the previous poster who said not to overanalyze. I have seen hundreds of guys come into the office at 6 AM and leave at 8 PM tell me how exahausted they were from all the planning, analysis, and admin they did. They always seem have the same answer when I ask them how many people did you see today. "None, I was swamped." Six months later they wash out and sit somewhere bad mouthing insurance and financial guys.
 
But I have to sign a U5 to leave my current company, if I heard correctly, if I sign that U5 I loose my licenses no matter what. As long as I have my licenses by the time I graduate college i feel comfortable (which is another 2 years for me).

As for salesmanship, I completely understand what everyone means about 'if you're not pulling the trigger, its not meant for you'. I honestly feel though, like a UFC fighter, it takes months of training before you even see your first match. I want this knowledge engraved in my bones. I'm not going to sit around on my hands for another year, no, but right now I'm at the 75% threshold of being ready for this. I plan on getting in a debate with every client's previous agent and I want to out muscle these other agents with my ethical knowledge.

I still have missing gaps of understanding with 401ks, cash value plans, and pension plans. How does one of these retirement plans get created? how do they get managed over time? and what kind of situation happens when these plans are replaced or transferred over to something else? If I'm going to sell, I need to know my stuff before I open my mouth. I hate being asked questions that I don't know the answer to, its a pet peeve of mine that I wasn't prepared enough.
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I guess an answer to my own question is, if I want to learn these things I need to sell them. Kind of a no brainer to myself.. but are there ways of vicariously learning this stuff? Like when I'm learning a new math lesson in class, there is always 4-5 examples on how this new function works, or is applied. I'd love to stumble across an idea that is similar to the math example I just described but with insurance.
 
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A U5 is just a document that shows your licenses were released from your firm and why. Also details disciplinary action iof any. You have 2 years to move your license to another firm before they lapse.
 
hammerken said:
A U5 is just a document that shows your licenses were released from your firm and why. Also details disciplinary action iof any. You have 2 years to move your license to another firm before they lapse.

X2 on the above anytime you leave a B/D you will recieve a U5. You will also have to be fingerprinted again for your next B/D and fill out the U4 paperwork again.
 
I will give you completely different advice than most posters on here.

Giving up my securities licenses was the best thing I ever did in insurance. I believe Peter, Norwayguy, has similar feelings.
 
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