Day 2 Of Argument...Not A Good Day For The Mandate

Here is what I gathered from listening:

The gov't believes ALL health care is paid for by insurance (including a doctor visit, or prescription). This is the first flaw as it assumes we need insurance to pay for the small stuff.

Next, they are allowed to regulate that payment. Agreed, but only for those participants who have chosen to enter the commerce market. They can not compel you to get into the "market".

Lastly, it turns out that the democrats were so "scared" of calling it a "tax" during a recession, they preached a "penalty" and actually changed the words from "tax" to "penalty" before the final draft on purpose. If they would have just left it a tax, we wouldn't be having this discussion, as it's allowed to tax, just like social security/medicare.

The severability clause was purposely taken out by congress (it was in there originally), because while they want to redistribute wealth, they realized they can't bankrupt the country.

I also heard skepticism that all health care is responsible for cost shifting of UN-compensated costs, when it's really just the major stuff that causes cost shifting.

Solution: Everyone owns a 3-5k HSA plan, low income has their deductible paid for by the gov't with federal/state contributions into their HSA's. What's not spent, is theirs to keep. Wanna bet they visit the ER less frequently? Middle/higher income get tax incentives to buy and contribute to HSA's. Mandate price transparency for all medical procedures/costs. Incentivize through the tax code
 
Yagents; that's pretty much along my thought process. It needs to become more like car insurance; brakes, oil changes? Pay for it. Car wrecked in an accident? Covered.

Utilization is a piece of the pie. I actually believe Somarco pointed out a while back that it's actually a small piece.

The elephant in the room is dealing with "unlimited" benefits that cost insurers millions. If a child with a condition needs $100,000 a month in health care, whose responsibility is it to pay those claims for the next 20 years. How much did it cost to keep Shiavo alive?
 
By the way, thank god for the govt attorney Verilli........he was TERRIBLE, he had no rational argument to offer. It's well worth the time if you haven't listened to it.
 
"If the government can require that people buy this, what else can it require that people buy" is a question no one can answer.

The justices were dead on with the logic that if a solution to any problem is requiring people to purchase a product, there's, in theory, no end to what we may be required to buy.
 
My predicted outcome, based on the realization the Supremes get this more than I thought they did......

Mandates gone.
Guaranteed issue is gone. It was based solely on the mandate, you can't do this without a mandate.
Some of the state requirements for Medicaid will be gone.
Pretty much everything else is still there.

MLR stays
Exchanges stay
Subsidies stay (this is the real evil)

Let the games begin!

Dan
 
And I still say...GET OUT!!!!

I have always said that if the Exchanges are around....time to look around for other lines of business.

Yes, there are exceptions, but you're not likely to be one of them. Get out now!
 
And I still say...GET OUT!!!!

I have always said that if the Exchanges are around....time to look around for other lines of business.

Yes, there are exceptions, but you're not likely to be one of them. Get out now!

I know you donate 100% of your health insurance commissions to wiping out Groats Disease. How have have the commission reductions affected the fundraising?

And is what you're doing with your income one of the "exceptions?"

$2 billion for the Dodgers? Hope that includes ownership of the Los Angeles Rams as well.

Rick
 
The audio is great. The tone is "if you can create commerce with this law, then the government can create commerce - period."

The government's attorney is sticking like glue to his; "No, we only want to create commerce just this time but golly, we'd never do it again."

Justices are NOT buying that at all.
 
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