Doctors Telling Employees: Your ObamaCare Plans Not Valid

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A Long Island, NY small business owner is finding out just how difficult it is to navigate the maze of moved deadlines and new insurance policies under ObamaCare in the New Year.


Butch Yamali, founder and president of The Dover Group, a catering company in Freeport, said he enrolled close to 60 employees in new, Affordable Care Act-approved insurance plans on Dec. 20, after their old insurance was cancelled for not meeting certain requirements under the new law.


Under the ACA, insurance plans have to meet certain standards including covering ten essential benefits—everything from ambulatory services to prescription drug costs.


He said the company outsources its insurance to a company called Conference Associates, Inc. in Patchogue, N.Y., which handles its enrollment with insurers. For close to 20 years, the company had plans with GHI, then Emblem, and its new plans are with Aetna via the New York State of Health Exchange.


On January 1, one of his workers went to use the new coverage for a post-surgery check-up, and was told he had no existing coverage.


"We did this all through the New York small business exchange, they said everything would be up and running by the first of the year," Yamali said. "And the worst part is that these policies weren't originally set to expire until March."
The Dover Group has 500 employees, and between 50 and 60 of those workers have enrolled in plans each year, according to Yamali.


His business falls under the employer mandate provision of the ACA, in which every business with 50 or more full-time workers must offer coverage in 2015, or face a penalty of $2,000 per worker (the first 30 full-time employees are exempt), per year for failing to comply. Critics have said business owners may opt to pay the fine, rather than insure workers, because it would be less costly.


His enrollment by Dec. 20 does fall within the Department of Health and Human Services' guidelines for Jan. 1 coverage. HHS announced last month it was requiring all insurers to accept enrollments until Dec. 31, for plans that kicked in on Jan. 1. America's Health Insurance Plans (AHIP), which represents 90% of the insurers in the industry, extended the payment deadline until Jan. 10 for coverage that will be backdated to the first of the year.


ObamaCare's detractors have argued the continued pushing back of deadlines would create confusion within the industry, which Yamali says he is experiencing firsthand. He attempted to use his own insurance with a family doctor last week who confirmed he does not yet have active coverage.


In an email from Conference Associates, which Yamali shared with FOXBusiness.com, he was told to ask doctors to bill him and then submit the claim for reimbursement later.


It wasn't the band aid he was looking for, he says.


"About a dozen different employees have come to me, they are angry, and are asking 'Why didn't you pay for our insurance? Why don't we have coverage?" he says. "It's embarrassing, I have guys on my staff with babies, and they have no insurance."


The company was told yesterday that many of its workers' new policies should soon be active, but Yamali has yet to confirm this as they have not tried to use their new coverage. His Aetna plan, which is a higher tier than what many of his workers use, remains inactivated.


"The insurance company says we should have coverage, but the doctors say they won't see us without it," Yamali says. "I don't know what to do."
FOXBusiness.com reached out to the New York State Department of Health and is awaiting comment.
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I had a client call me after she spoke to a lady in the Dr's office. She said Is this an Obamacare Policy? We're not sure if were gonna accept those plans. LOL I said its Blue Cross and they are a HMO network provider they are under contract. If they give you any hassle at your appt. give me a call.
 
One doctor told me the joke among doctors is "call back in 90 days for an appointment". They want to see how many keep their plans vs the ones that want their surgery or other expensive medical treatment now so they can cancel the policy a month later.
 
One doctor told me the joke among doctors is "call back in 90 days for an appointment". They want to see how many keep their plans vs the ones that want their surgery or other expensive medical treatment now so they can cancel the policy a month later.


Either way, the medical profession gets paid, don't they?
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Either way, the medical profession gets paid, don't they?
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No. If it's a subsidized policy, there is a 90 day grace period for premium payment. The doctor gets paid by the insurance company for any claims during the first 30 days of a lapse. The doctor is on the hook for the next 60 days, although the insurance company is supposed to notify any provider that they know may be on the claim.
 
No. If it's a subsidized policy, there is a 90 day grace period for premium payment. The doctor gets paid by the insurance company for any claims during the first 30 days of a lapse. The doctor is on the hook for the next 60 days, although the insurance company is supposed to notify any provider that they know may be on the claim.

Wow I thought it was the carrier on the hook. Just how is a Drs office supposed to assess that risk?
 
My brother-in-law is a hospital CFO, and he said this is a nightmare for them. They figure they can't collect on the deductibles, co-insurance and MOOP, even if the clients keep their plans. If they are so low income that they cannot pay the premium, how will they pay the MOOP?
 
They figure they can't collect on the deductibles, co-insurance and MOOP, even if the clients keep their plans. If they are so low income that they cannot pay the premium, how will they pay the MOOP?

Thats what I have been saying all along!

If you cant afford a few hundred for premiums, how the hell will they afford a few thousand in OOP?

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Wow I thought it was the carrier on the hook. Just how is a Drs office supposed to assess that risk?

They wont. They will drop off of networks that have exchange plans and let the hospitals deal with the broke people just as they always have.

Or they will switch to a cash only model which I have heard rumblings of in the medical community...
 
There are three things you guys are overlooking:

1) These low income people are subsidized, so their premium may not be "hundreds", there's a good chance it's dollars and cents.
2) Thanks to CSR, low income people have deductibles in the hundreds, not thousands, on Silver plans (the one most of them went for, according to the data we have from CMS).
3) Anyone can pay for anyone's plan, technically speaking.

I just had a client go on a silver plan at $37/mo with a $250 deductible, and I'm sure many of you have something similar on the books. Yes, there will be people who can't or don't pay this.

As a facility, they'll pay the $287 on behalf of the client to submit their multi-thousand-dollar claim. It's day 31 and you show up with a broken leg. They have to treat you, they have to treat it like you're insured, but they know they're getting "pended" at the carrier, and will have to chase you down on day 91 for payment out of pocket.

We already know, between the $30 asprins and $150 pillows, x-rays, setting bone, cast, crutches, etc. it's going to be a bill far bigger than any premium owed. It almost always makes sense for a facility to pay premium.

I expect it to be really common, but that's just my opinion.
 
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