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I don't think illegal under the table workers get reported on the payroll, let's be honest
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Tyler, Brittany and Jamal will do all of that heavy manual labor at the the same piece work money.
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Sorry, could not help it.
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What? How? Don't employers fill out audits with the insurance carriers? Are you suggesting that some employers may be breaking the laws of the land with workers that broke the laws of the land to be here?
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I'm sorry, I don't know what I was suggesting
Apparently many undocumented workers (some of whom are legally in the USA, they just don't have permission to work) apply for a Individual Tax Identification Number either legally or by using false documentation if they can't legally get an ITIN. While an ITIN doesn't qualify someone to work legally in the USA if they already can't, because it looks like a SS number many employers don't realize that is not a SS number. Dependents of those legally here need one if they are being claimed as a dependent on someone who is legally allowed to work here. Resident aliens and non-resident aliens can legally get an ITIN under many circumstances along with their spouse or dependents. Those with work visas or green cards don't need an ITIN.
Others who are undocumented but have citizen children because they were born here and use their kid's number. Apparently some of those same people rent out their kid's number to others. Other's steal/buy SS numbers on the black market (of dead people or those already stolen by identity theft). Some tax preparers sell legit client's numbers and actual cards they take and don't return when doing someone's taxes. When the name and SS number don't match the SS administration puts the SS tax taken out of the illegal's check into an "Earnings Suspended" file (and they can land there because someone mada a typo, just because an illegal is using someone else's number).
Because it is the employer who documents the person (including the proof of citizenship or legally allowed to work status) of an employee, dishonest ones can check the box of people who aren't legal and photocopy documents as proof that are forged or obtained illegally. The number of audits are so low likely they won't be caught. Raids usually happen on larger companies who hire a ton of people with fake documentation/using documentation that isn't theirs.
Due to all of the above an employer would likely pass an audit. Also illegals who are working for small companies where what the company does involves a lot of cash payments for accounts payable and those workers are paid in cash, creative accounting of that cash can mean they'd likely pass an audit too.
As an aside I don't know why we just don't use that 1.5 trillion plus in the earnings suspended file to shore up the SS fund. Yes some money is in there due to mistakes made of a citizen which they can get credited to their account if they realize the mistake and fix it, but much of it is in there due to illegal use of someone else's SS number. There was a law change in 2004 about illegals or people legally here who are working illegally getting SS so that they can't claim it unless they meet certain requirements (those who were illegally working and claimed SS prior to 2004 aren't affected so those people, if they are still alive, are 82+ in age if they didn't claim under disability).
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I have no idea if your post is correct. However, I agree with this.
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