Here's my take on telesales working leads whether fe or mapd . The agents are overall nothing but 9-5 hamsters on a wheel . Some making a living wage and most failing . The only ones making the mega books are the ones providing the leads or the imo overriding . High vol leads are 95% low income people . Easy to sell but hard to keep on the books . To stay on the books requires face to face to get some loyalty . Those are facts .
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Man you're a jaded guy JD.
You seem extra angry lately.
Is it because of Trump and Musk lol?
- 19,822
I'm not at all angry.
You can't play that game with me either.
That's the normal bullshit that all of you phony mf'ers come up with.
Character assassination.
Won't work.
I got no dog in it. Your scams have no effect on me.
Nor will I sit around and whine for 4 years about the elected officials.
That's for losers like you.
When you're not trying to turn shit into shinola things are good.
We're headed to Nashville for the SEC. Going to SanAntonio if the Cats are there. We just got back from Key West.
Moved into a new home 6 months ago.
But you claim "angry" just to discredit.
Of course that plays to your crowd. And that's so far away from my world it's a different planet.
All of your kind are so much alike I can say your words for you.
And so can any other realist.
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Where did the DOGE touch you?
- 19,822
I'm a Chevy guy.
But leave it your type to come up with childish insults when you have no facts.
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The fact is, either you have a hazy memory or you're a liar.
But everyone knows your attitude.
Unless you seem to have forgotten, I was trained by Travis.
I bought leads week in and week out. I had a standing order of 20-30 direct mail leads when I was at FEX.
I would buy an additional 20-30 leads of other varieties each week. I was always trying different leads. Facebook, telemarketing, avatar, whatever was out there.
When I went to Equita, they bought my inventory of DM leads. I think I had 150 leads or so.
They bought them all. Chase asked Donny to vouch for me and attested that I was a producer.
It's like somehow you forget all that. I know you're getting older, but you're not Biden old, right? So is it just selective memory loss?
Who knows.
Either way, I was on a standing order of 30 DM leads a week until I came out of the field.
That was me spending $1000+ a week on leads and appointment setters every week I was in the field.
When I started recruiting, I was still buying DM leads every week and also Live Transfer agent recruit leads for $50 a pop. Ryan at the home office was providing those.
When I came out of the field, I was bringing in $5000 a month just from Trans DE as earned biz.
I used that bankroll my fledgling agency.
Then I was spending money on Facebook ads for recruiting.
Using digital marketing, automation, workflows etc to build our agency.
We built that agency up to $3M a year before Covid hit.
That's when we started Agent Autopilot.
Originally it was just a CRM for our agents to help them sell virtually because of the plandemic.
Found out I liked that business better than recruiting and training agents on the daily. Nothing against that model, I just like technology and digital marketing better.
While we were starting Agent Autopilot, we also built a Final Expense call center to $1M in the first year. Taking Live Transfers… so we know a thing or two about those too.
Since then, we've run ads on Facebook and other verticals for years. I still buy leads every week, in one form or fashion.
I have over 35,000 insurance agents on our list. That's not some cold list I bought.
That's people that have opted into our Facebook ads for webinars to learn about the products we sell. We average about a $35 cost per lead there.
That's over $1,200,000 we spent on leads bringing in agents to our world just in the last couple years.
And now we have ACTIVAI, Agent Autopilot's Voice AI system.
Comes with 1000s of artificial voice opt in leads. Agents can press start and will have a live transfer within minutes.
For every $600-$700 they spend on leads and Voice AI minutes, it generates 50-100 Live Transfers and 20-40 Scheduled Call Back leads.
That's a ridiculous ROI compared to what's in the marketplace.
If a Live Transfer costs on average $40 and a Call Back lead $20, that's $2500-$5000 value for the $600-$700 they spend, compared to if they bought those type of leads from a vendor somewhere.
Will there be some that can't close those leads and complain the "leads are bad" ? Probably every week for the rest of my life lol.
But they're getting the leads from the same AI. Always uses the same script. Always uses the same rebuttals. Always has the same tone and inflection.
I'm very clear with agents. If you don't know how to close over the phone, Agent Autopilot's Voice AI isn't going to close the deals for you.
But it will get you Live Transfers on demand for FE, Medicare, ACA, even P&C Auto, if you want.
And we don't recruit. You stay with your own IMO.
But if one agent can take 11 Live Transfers and get 3 sales or another agent can take his first live transfer and get a sale, then any closer can do the same.
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What a load of bullshit. You can go on with the personal attacks because that's all you have.
I always know a person is beaten when they turn it personal.
The facts are you couldn't sell. Facts are you blamed the leads. Facts are you tried to not pay for the leads.
Facts are Thad put it on here where you reversed charges.
Facts are you cried like a baby because FEX wouldn't take your side and say you weren't responsible for paying for leads you had committed to.
Facts are that's why you bounced. Then bounced around everywhere else telling recruits about your imaginary production.
I even have the texts you sent to one recruit where you lied about FEX and your production and your upline's paycheck.
You wouldn't know the truth if it introduced itself to you.
My memory is just fine. maybe you need a checkup? But I don't believe you don't remember for one second.
Here's another little nugget. You got plan F'ed by a POS company. Whined about it and told that POS company that you was going to replace all your other business with that company. I have those texts too.
Yoiu claimed that POS company termed you. You bad mouthed that POS company to everyone you could. Then when you became a pimp at an IMO that loved that POS company you were out there singing the praises of that POS company.
Hiding behind religion as always.
Rinse and repeat and that's your insurance career.
You will be badmouthing whatever you are selling now once you get to your next stop.
I'll just keep living rent free in your head.
Since you're out of recruiting what was your experience with recruiting and chargebacks ? When you stopped recruiting and chargebacks hit the next 9 months what were the results ? Since 92-95%. Of people fail ins this business tons of new people jump in get slammed with chargebacks and quit . A vector means nothing to them as they left the business so the upline eats it
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Oh you're talking about the Avatar leads from Thad. You ask Joe Bash about what really happened there.
I bought some special deal for like 250 leads or something. He filled like 10% of the order and then went MIA for a month.
Remember discussing with Joe on GroupMe what to do and yeah I disputed those charges.
Had nothing to do with closing the leads. I never got them.
Then when I did dispute, he brought it here on the forum, and yeah FEX didn't have my back. That was the main reason why I left.
I never did fit in with your culture.
Yeah I did lose my cool with Americo (the company you're calling a POS?) on that Plan F. And I think I did get termed by them. That was youthful arrogance on my part.
Equita was pushing them pretty hard and they had to go back multiple times to get me recontracted.
Im pretty sure that was even before Eagle was out. Or at least Ultra Protector was still in the mix.
But I did promote them, as well as the rest of the Equita FE lineup. So you got me there.
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Oh man, rollup debt was not fun. We had a lead program and @bboman23 taught us well to make sure people were writing business off of leads.
Less debt rollup that way. Seemed like it was never more than $30,000 a year in rollups. We never got hit with any huge ones.
Just a lot of little ones.
Also focusing on a few core set of companies would help as other writing agent's overrides would offset the rollups from others.
From the start in this business, I always put away 20% of my commissions for chargebacks. That didn't stop when we started recruiting.
Just a cost of doing business.
