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Trump definitely wouldn't have been my 1st choice for a Republican candidate, but he's the lesser of 2 evils. I think he's going to surprise a lot of people..........positively.
Trump Won, Vows Day 1 Full Repeal. Lets Discuss.
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Trump definitely wouldn't have been my 1st choice for a Republican candidate, but he's the lesser of 2 evils. I think he's going to surprise a lot of people..........positively.
I think he's going to surprise a lot of people..........positively.
I hope so. It would be hard to surprise us negatively at this point!
Keys2Success, can I ask you to kindly stop interrupting threads with political banter? This is an important thread for agents to discuss upcoming health care reform issues. It's our livelihood. We realize that some politicians have been awful, and some have been much worse than others. While this is interesting reading about important issues surrounding Bill & Hillary Clinton, they have already lost the election. Most importantly, it's really not relevant to this thread, yet this thread is of utmost relevance to our livelihoods. Thank-you.
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You know everybody including yourself would be better served by you joining the off topic section at the bottom of this forum. There you will find like minded people who really have nothing to do with insurance, but like to make the same points you do.
While I am sure there are people here who disagree with me politically, I've found most everybody here wants to learn more about insurance, not the Clintons or Trump or Obama outside of healthcare issues.
If you want to go on this political rants, please do so where it is allowed. This is a public forum and potential customers read these threads. The one I am mentioning is a private section in this forum. Better served for what you want to say. Cheers.
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Or post it in this thread started in the General Insurance Agent Discussions Forum by the Executive Editor of the Forum.
http://www.insurance-forums.net/for...iscussions/election-night-america-t85289.html
It's hard to believe how gullible people can be to believe in Trump. He told you what you wanted to hear so he could get what he needed from you and now you are no longer of value to him. Trump's pitch to the voters was no different than the pitch made to seminar attendees for Trump University. He's basically no better than a hotel con man. Enjoy the next 2 years!
Now he says he will not repeal the ACA. He said he may amend it but he thinks alot of it is really good. He won't really build a wall and he's only going to deport illegal aliens that have criminal records. He removed the line from his website about not allowing people in the country based upon their religion. Since he won the election he has been doing some serious revisioning of campaign promises. So pathetic.
Now he says he will not repeal the ACA. He said he may amend it but he thinks alot of it is really good. He won't really build a wall and he's only going to deport illegal aliens that have criminal records. He removed the line from his website about not allowing people in the country based upon their religion. Since he won the election he has been doing some serious revisioning of campaign promises. So pathetic.
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DaKine,
Pretty much everyone here expected him to not repeal ACA 100% on day one as he promised. Most even mentioned the specific parts he'd keep, like age 26 and pre-ex prohibition.
One way or another, it's getting gutted. Subsidies and medicaid expansions are certainly on the chopping block. The taxes and fees are certainly on the chopping block.
As you might remember, Paul Ryan has been trying to gut Medicare for years. With the change in power and support, he finally has a chance. With the stabilization to the program made possible by regulations buried in ACA, it very well may be destabilized by a repeal. There's a legitimate possibility we see that program removed or heavily changed.
Pretty much everyone here expected him to not repeal ACA 100% on day one as he promised. Most even mentioned the specific parts he'd keep, like age 26 and pre-ex prohibition.
One way or another, it's getting gutted. Subsidies and medicaid expansions are certainly on the chopping block. The taxes and fees are certainly on the chopping block.
As you might remember, Paul Ryan has been trying to gut Medicare for years. With the change in power and support, he finally has a chance. With the stabilization to the program made possible by regulations buried in ACA, it very well may be destabilized by a repeal. There's a legitimate possibility we see that program removed or heavily changed.
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I love the people in this thread saying how great the ACA is and in the same sentence accusing someone of not understanding how insurance rates work and why they work. The ACA is in stark contrast to how insurance is supposed to work. Sure the pre-existing conditions clause is a good thing but people with pre-existing conditions NEED to be underwritten at a higher rate in order for it to work just like every other type of insurance. So you've got aids from all of the heroin you've been addicted to for years...but you're far less than I am because of your income being slightly less than mine? So you're ENTITLED to MY tax dollar supported subsidy AND I have to pay more for my insurance??? How can anyone say this is good for our society? Just like auto insurance, if you're a bad driver in life you deserve to be placed with the progressive of health insurance.
I'm proud of Trump for toning down his rhetoric. It's much more Presidential of him to say they will keep parts of the law that serve the public the most, as well as to say first priority is the criminal illegal aliens, then working with the non-criminal illegals who have lived in our country for a long time, while securing the border, then considering a wall, and then trying to figure out how Mexico would pay for it. He actually lined up the priorities correctly.
I'm not saying I agree with his immigration stance, just saying that prioritizing isn't bad. Same thing for ACA. Just because he wants to keep Guarantee Issue and other major issues, doesn't mean he won't repeal and replace Obamacare. Obamacare didn't think up these issues, and doesn't "own" these issues. These issues were major issues long before the ACA was ever proposed. They will be issues in any replacement. Replacement doesn't mean 100% opposite of the last law. It means taking care of the issues in a better way.
RayNY, I agree with you. ACA is complicated. I sure hope that they separate the issues on this one too, prioritize, and get the IFP market stabilized first. I am afraid if they try to gut Medicare, the retiree crowd will make them pay heavily at the mid-terms. I know it's complicated, because of the interconnected issues, but I really hope they don't include "gut Medicare" in the same paragraph as "repair ACA damage".
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The solution I've seen floated is that Medicare is essentially turned off for everyone under a certain cutoff, argument's sake, 55. Everyone getting it or about to start getting it is unaffected. Since nothing changes for them, their vote doesn't change. Medicare dies a slow and natural death as the covered group reaches the end of their life.
Younger group gets enough time to make other arrangements. Might come out and vote, but as we know, the 55+ voter base is significant.
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