Christmas & New Years

[Baseball7]

There is no way someone can watch the hearings (the witness testimony, not CNN's or Fox's interpretation, not Schiff's or Nunes's grandstanding - just the witnesses themselves) and not come away being certain that it is a fact that President Trump wanted Ukraine to announce an investigation into the Bidens, and that he was delaying an invitation to the White House and the military aid on account of that desire on his part.

Fine by me.

 

[Life Hawk]

and not come away being certain that it is a fact that President Trump wanted Ukraine to announce an investigation into the Bidens,

"wanted" and may I ask how that is a crime... why wouldn't someone want an investigation into the Bidens.

To be more correct, you might say Trump "wanted" Ukraine to begin again its original investigation into the Bidens... the one that if they hadn't stopped would have cost them $1 billion dollars.

I am so confused how people an read so differently what is right before them... well then again I sell life insurance and should understand this. Emotion gets in front of facts.... and facts just don't care how you feel or what you want... they just are.

 

[WinoBlues]

History for November 22 - On-This-Day.com

 

[HoosierLife]

History for November 22 - On-This-Day.com

I remember when the Xbox 360 came out! Haven't played in years, unless the toddlers beg me to once every other week or so, but I used to be one of those guys...

 

[rousemark]

"wanted" and may I ask how that is a crime... why wouldn't someone want an investigation into the Bidens.

To be more correct, you might say Trump "wanted" Ukraine to begin again its original investigation into the Bidens... the one that if they hadn't stopped would have cost them $1 billion dollars.

I am so confused how people an read so differently what is right before them... well then again I sell life insurance and should understand this. Emotion gets in front of facts.... and facts just don't care how you feel or what you want... they just are.

The President is the chief LEO. He should have wanted an investigation into a US residents being involved in international corruption.

 

[WinoBlues]

I remember when the Xbox 360 came out! Haven't played in years, unless the toddlers beg me to once every other week or so, but I used to be one of those guys...

I have not mastered Pacman

Although I am deadly on Doom as long as I have a joystick with a trigger

 

[shonceman]

I'm talking specifically about the facts, and just the facts. We may disagree as to whether the facts of the case rise to the level of an offense justifying removing a sitting President. What I find most disturbing about the last three years is that we seem not to able even to agree on the facts, even when they are staring us in the face. There are not facts and alternate facts. There are facts. When I referenced think like a cop I was meaning we should look to gather the facts. After all, that is what the impeachment hearings are thus far - fact gathering. It is not a trial. The trial takes place in the Seantae,

Again, we can debate what the facts mean, but we shouldn't have to debate whether his facts are better than her facts, for example.

There is no way someone can watch the hearings (the witness testimony, not CNN's or Fox's interpretation, not Schiff's or Nunes's grandstanding - just the witnesses themselves) and not come away being certain that it is a fact that President Trump wanted Ukraine to announce an investigation into the Bidens, and that he was delaying an invitation to the White House and the military aid on account of that desire on his part.

We can then debate whether or not he should therefore be impeached or not, impeached and removed or just impeached but not removed, etc. But if we are at the point where we close our eyes to common facts then we are fvcked. Absolutley fvcked. The epitomy of FUBAR.

Ok, I understand the "cop" reference better, then. Thank you. Gathering facts is exactly what should be done. I'm not as convinced as you that the facts have been thoroughly, or even honestly presented, though. I guess we'll see once it's handed over to the Senate (if McConnell doesn't chicken out!).

 

[goillini52]

Ok, I understand the "cop" reference better, then. Thank you. Gathering facts is exactly what should be done. I'm not as convinced as you that the facts have been thoroughly, or even honestly presented, though. I guess we'll see once it's handed over to the Senate (if McConnell doesn't chicken out!).

I can't wait to see how dirty O'bama's hands were in all of this.

 

[PaulieD]

It's interesting that the title of this thread is Christmas and New Years

 

[DayTimer]

It's interesting that the title of this thread is Christmas and New Years

But this is the FINAL EXPENSE FORUM - it's how we roll.