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[Tahoe Ray]

33. Whole30 Diet

These three diets were voted too restrictive and unsustainable long term.

Lol...Whole30 is literally supposed to be done for 30 days.

 

[DayTimer]

supposed to be done for 30 days

Unsustainable.

Here is a less than 15 minute video that tells the part of the story the government doesn't want us to know.

 

[DayTimer]

Here is a less than 15 minute video that tells the part of the story the government doesn't want us to know

And here is a short clip I took from the above video about the Demokrats and the dietary guidelines.

 

[PA Bill]

You are in a small percentage of the population who can do that and that is great for you. But that is a very small percent of the population who can truly eat whatever they want and remain healthy.

You might also be one of the many who are doing harm, but because you appear fit and trim you are unaware of the possibility that you are accumulating far more dangerous visceral fat around your organs rather than subcutaneous fat between the skin and muscle.

This is a condition known as "TOFI," for "thin outside, fat inside." Or what the doctors call "metobolically obese normal weight." The first indication that one has that this is occurring is a diagnosis during a routine physical of that one has elevated liver enzymes in the blood or has become pre-diabetic (or both).

Diet is a world-wide problem because we Americanos have exported our good intentions all over the world.

Good points. On the genetic part, I am 52 and supposedly in a small minority of people my age who aren't on some kind of medicine. My mom is 76 and started on her first prescription a year or two ago (starting to have health problems for first time in her life).
Like you, my mom thinks I may be pre-diabetic as I urinate a lot (but always have), especially when driving and drinking coffee at the same time.
But we're only talking about my physical (and not mental) health here, correct?

 

[DayTimer]

But we're only talking about my physical (and not mental) health here, correct?

Right. We all know you're playing two or three cans short of a six pack, but we love and respect you anyway.

And I did not mean to imply that I thought you were pre-diabetic. I was just mentioning that while most folks who develop type 2 are indeed visibly overweight, there are many who are type 2 or at least pre-diabetic who do not show as obviously fat. For all I know you very well may be fit as a fiddle. Crazy as all hell, but physically fit as a fiddle.

 

[PA Bill]

Right. We all know you're playing two or three cans short of a six pack, but we love and respect you anyway.

And I did not mean to imply that I thought you were pre-diabetic. I was just mentioning that while most folks who develop type 2 are indeed visibly overweight, there are many who are type 2 or at least pre-diabetic who do not show as obviously fat. For all I know you very well may be fit as a fiddle. Crazy as all hell, but physically fit as a fiddle.

Nobody's perfect!

 

[shonceman]

Hey @goillini52 ... how much did you pay to your keto charlaton?

Zero...you haven't charged me a thing.

So, can I have my check back???

 

[shonceman]

One of my sisters is always doing a "fad" diet (paleo/keto/low-carb) etc and it's a pita. My mother finally got tired of it and stopped catering to her at the holidays.

I've been to several group meals while on Keto/paleo. Nobody ever knows about it unless they happen to notice I'm not eating bread (or tortillas, etc.) Never had anybody need to cater to me. If they happen to serve a pasta dish or something as the main course, I just shut up and eat it! If they're serving a special dessert they're proud of, I eat that, too. One meal doesn't kill my diet for me, and there's no need to mess up the party by being weird!

 

[shonceman]

I am telling you, "eat low-fat and high carb" is the "buy term invest the difference" of the diet world.

 

[Thad.Sipple]

Nope. They're both dead.

Here is a guy who did an experiment.

EXPERIMENT A: First, he at 5000 calories per day of a high fat low carbohydrate diet. Here were his results:

"If a calorie is just a calorie when it comes to eating food, over the 21 days I should have put on 7.3kg ending up at 92.9kg from my starting weight of 85.6kg. However, after a 56,654 calorie surplus over the 21 days I ended up putting on 1.3kg ending up at 86.9kg, a relatively large discrepancy to say the least to the tune of 6kg. I also measured my waist which started off at 79.5cm and I ended up at 3cm less at 76.5cm."

You can read his account of this n=1 experiement here:

Why I Didn't Get Fat From Eating 5,000 Calories A Day Of A High Fat Diet - Smash The Fat Fitness & Fat Loss Boot Camps

EXPERIMENT B: He also did the same experiment, 5000 calorties per day eating high carb, low fat. He got FAT

On the previous LCHF experiment unfortunately I didn't do a starting BodPod assessment, the apparatus we used to calculate my body fat. However, we did do one at the end giving me a finishing body fat of 12.6% in the LCHF experiment. With the CARB experiment I started at 12.7%, so using my powers of deduction it appears I didn't put on much fat over the LCHF experiment. Now, instead of finishing on a similar number on the CARB experiment I ended up at 16.9% which is a +4.2% gain

Why I DID Get Fat From Eating 5,000 Calories A Day Of A High Carb Diet - Smash The Fat Fitness & Fat Loss Boot Camps

EXPERIMENT C: Afterwards, he did the same experiment - consuming 5000 calories per day eating a real or whole foods vegan diet. He got a bit fat on the vegan diet:

In this latest self-experiment I ate 5,794 k/cals a day of a high carb low fat real foods diet (VEGAN). Over these 21 days I put on +4.7kg (10.4lbs) and +7.75cm (3.1ins) around my waist. Also, in my BodPod assessments I started at 12.9% body fat and ended up at 15.5%, meaning that I put on +3.1kg (6.8lbs) of pure fat. The missing +1.6kg (3.5lbs) would be due to an increase in glycogen, stored carbohydrate, and water retention.

Why I Got A Bit Fat Eating Over 5,000 Calories A Day Of A Vegan Diet - Smash The Fat Fitness & Fat Loss Boot Camps

You can read his results if you'd like, and you can watch his videos on youtube if you'd like.

The hypothesis he was testing was that calories-in calories-out does not matter, at least not in the way we have been led to believe.

What his experiments demonstrate is that the human body, given the proper diet, will self-correct to the proper weight and body composition. The human body, fed the wrong foods, will get fat.

With respect to the example I gave above where one person eats 2000 calories per day of donuts and the other eat 2000 calories per day of bacon, let us assume that each lives a rather sedentary life and only burns 1500 calories per day.

The bacon eater will eat his bacon and whatever is not immediately needed will be stored as fat. However, because this person will not produce much insulin, his body will also be able to time release the energy stored in the fat cells as needed. Additionally, as a fat burner rather than a sugar burner, he will over time see an increase in his resting metabolism, and his body will soon be burning the 2000 calories he consumes each day.

The donut eater, on the other hand, will likewise store excess energy as fat. However, over time, due to the significantly higher levels of circulating insulin in his body, the fat cells will no longer time release the energy when required because fat will not release energy when levels of insulin are high. Why? Because insulin is a hormone whose job it is to store excess energy in fat cells.

This causes the donut eater to both accumulate stored fat, and it will also cause the donut eater's metabolism to slow down. Why? Because his body is not able to get the fuel it needs from the stored fat. While the bacon eater's resting metabolism has increased from 1500 calories per day to 2000, the donut eaters metabolism has decreased to 1200 calories per day.

So why does the donut eater still eat 2000 calories of donuts each day? Because his body still is calling for energy. We call that hunger.

So yes, weight gain is caused by eating more calories than your body burns. But the composition of the diet is what matters. The same amount of calories of a high processed carb diet, or a vegan diet, or any high carb diet will eventually cause weight gain in most humans. The problem is we are taught to eat that sort of diet and we have been since the McGovern Dietary Guidelines were released in the late 70's.

All you anti-gov't conservatives ever ask yourselves why we had no obesity or diabetes epidemic until the 1980's and 90's? Has the government ever been wrong before? Do you really think the government has your best interests at heart? Has the government never steered you wrong?

If folks are getting fat and yet they are eating exactly what they have been taught to eat, who's at fault?

@goillini52 lost 40 pounds just making a simple change in what he ate. And there is not one gov't dietician who will tell you that what he started eating was healthy. And yet he is in far better health today than he was just two years ago while he was eating the standard American diet. And while I'm sure he over indulged from time to time as we all do, I would bet he didn't feel he was a glutton. Instead, his body self corrected to the proper weight and body composition.

I find it interesting that Lions are lazy, and sleep up to 18 to 20 hours a day in the wild. When they eat they gorge themselves on meat and fat. And yet you will never find a picture of a fat lion in the wild.

Humans are apparently no different: Feed a man as a lion eats, and he will become lean and healthy without ever running a 5K or stepping foot into a gym.

Feed a man any version of the Standard American Diet, which has become the Standard World Diet, and in a majority of cases he will go to fat, lose lean muscle mass, and develop one or more of the diseases of modernity - diabetes, heart attack, cancer, and stroke.

None of this is conjecture any longer. Here is an article from the American Medical Journal: https://www.amjmed.com/article/S0002-9343(01)00991-3/abstract

You do not have to be a PhD or MD to learn new things. You just have to have an open and inquisitive mind and the ability to read. I do not have a PhD or MD but I have reads hundreds of articles in medical and scientific journals about this topic (I admit that it helps having a daughter who is a biochem major to explain some of the more esoteric elements to me) but this is all out there for every American to find for him or herself.

I can't help the willfully uninformed and stupid. This is my last post on this. I don't do this for the idiots who want to continue believing that the earth is flat and that fat makes us fat. As @vic120 noted above, this is for the folks following along who might come upon this discussion and benefit from it. Even here at an insurance-forum there are a small number of agents who don't ever post in the forum have contacted me to tell me that they followed the bacon thread and they too have had results similar to @goillini52.



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Wow a lot of great info, for me all I have to say is ANY diet or way of eating 21 days is not a long enough "test" for me to be convinced of anything. JMHO.