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Healthcare Bill Exemption
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Are you trying to compare this non-insurance product with a company that is owned by the policyholders?
What's the connection you're trying to make here?
I, like I'm sure many here, think the concept of a mutual company is just great. No problems with it whatsoever.
What's the connection you're trying to make here?
I, like I'm sure many here, think the concept of a mutual company is just great. No problems with it whatsoever.
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Easy.
One is a legitimate, licensed insurance company, the other is a giant ponzi scheme.
One is a legitimate, licensed insurance company, the other is a giant ponzi scheme.
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That is why you have Insurance and the Alternatives. They both work, but the one you pay 3 times more for.
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Your assumption is wholly without foundation, and therefore untenable.
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By the way, here's a little news scoop from Alex Sink, CFO for State of Florida in regards to the solicitation of unauthorized health benefits plans:
Agents and unlicensed individuals who sell unauthorized insurance can be required to pay all unpaid claims, as well as face felony charges.
So that even includes YOU, Bozo.
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By the way, here's a little news scoop from Alex Sink, CFO for State of Florida in regards to the solicitation of unauthorized health benefits plans:
Agents and unlicensed individuals who sell unauthorized insurance can be required to pay all unpaid claims, as well as face felony charges.
So that even includes YOU, Bozo.
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Health Care Sharing Ministries organizations are not considered insurance companies and in fact, they do not assume any type of risk. Nor do they guarantee the payment of any health care related bills. Several states have even recognized Health Care Sharing Ministries and have exempted them from their own state insurance codes.
Because of this, members are afforded several advantages of joining, often including no pre-existing condition requirements, no waiting periods for accidental injuries, and no healthcare provider network requirements.
However, although Health Care Sharing Ministries are not considered insurance companies, they still qualify for the healthcare bill exemption based in part on their 501 (c)(3) status and their exemption from taxation under Section 501(a).
The Good Old US-OF-A....., Don't ya just Love It!?Sign Me up
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and let the rest pay extra taxes, penalty's so that they can stuff the pockets of the already extremely wealthy, Rich Insurance industry. Yea thats right, you just help them build another multi BILLION dollar Sky-Scraper on the backs of hard working people.
Sell-Sell-Sell and then sleep like a baby, Right?
I would be more then happy to pass on and article you write on why people should not go with a health Concept like this. The balls in your court Kind Person!
Because of this, members are afforded several advantages of joining, often including no pre-existing condition requirements, no waiting periods for accidental injuries, and no healthcare provider network requirements.
However, although Health Care Sharing Ministries are not considered insurance companies, they still qualify for the healthcare bill exemption based in part on their 501 (c)(3) status and their exemption from taxation under Section 501(a).
The Good Old US-OF-A....., Don't ya just Love It!?Sign Me up
,and let the rest pay extra taxes, penalty's so that they can stuff the pockets of the already extremely wealthy, Rich Insurance industry. Yea thats right, you just help them build another multi BILLION dollar Sky-Scraper on the backs of hard working people.
Sell-Sell-Sell and then sleep like a baby, Right?
I would be more then happy to pass on and article you write on why people should not go with a health Concept like this. The balls in your court Kind Person!
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Health Care Sharing Ministries organizations are not considered insurance companies and in fact, they do not assume any type of risk. Nor do they guarantee the payment of any health care related bills. Several states have even recognized Health Care Sharing Ministries and have exempted them from their own state insurance codes.
Because of this, members are afforded several advantages of joining, often including no pre-existing condition requirements, no waiting periods for accidental injuries, and no healthcare provider network requirements.
However, although Health Care Sharing Ministries are not considered insurance companies, they still qualify for the healthcare bill exemption based in part on their 501 (c)(3) status and their exemption from taxation under Section 501(a).
The Good Old US-OF-A....., Don't ya just Love It!?Sign Me up
and let the rest pay extra taxes, penalty's so that they can stuff the pockets of the already extremely wealthy, Rich Insurance industry. Yea thats right, you just help them build another multi BILLION dollar Sky-Scraper on the backs of hard working people.
Sell-Sell-Sell and then sleep like a baby, Right?
I would be more then happy to pass on and article you write on why people should not go with a health Concept like this. The balls in your court Kind Person!
Just out of curiosity....You are moaning about a Insurance company making an honest income in the name of how you are doing the lords work with these plans you get PAID to sell?
"Sell-Sell-Sell and then sleep like a baby, Right?"
3 Sales in a day? I usually go out for drinks and then yeah, sleep like a baby knowing I helped 3 families and made some great $$! Can you sleep at night using Christianity to make your sales?
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Not sure what all of the fuss is about here.
There are several vialable options to receive health care......
-Pay for it out of pocket
-Insure it (private/group/state/federal)
-Cover it through an association/health care arrangement
-Don't pay for it but get it anyway
-Move to Canada/France/England/Etc.
-Don't use any health care services at all
-Practice Santeria (ok just put this in for a joke)
It simply depends on a persons circumstances, beliefs and level of responsibility.
The Amish don't buy Blue Cross, no one complains about them.
There are supposedly Christian religions who refuse to allow their members to receive what most would consider "appropriate" or professional medical care (these often end up in court when the kid dies).
Certainly if a person is a member of a group (religious or otherwise) that chooses to self-fund or fund via contribution (premium kind of) for the benefit of members, if they feel comfortable with that arrangement and are willing to meet the somewhat more restrictive lifestyle requirements, why not? If benefits are actually paid and the association of members is not putting cost onto others who would not qualify, then have at it so long as it passes muster with the state regulatory agencies.
I think the more important point is that each person in the USA over the age of 18 be responsible enough to choose some kind of health care funding mechanism to protect the rest of the public from high costs associated with #4 above.
I find it interesting that in this new era of health care for everyone, we are seeing the same trend. Most of those 4X million weren't interested in paying for coverage before and they don't seem particularly interested in paying for it now (and PCIP is not terribly expensive).
On that note, I choose to go uninsured and have my backup plan as such.........................
There are several vialable options to receive health care......
-Pay for it out of pocket
-Insure it (private/group/state/federal)
-Cover it through an association/health care arrangement
-Don't pay for it but get it anyway
-Move to Canada/France/England/Etc.
-Don't use any health care services at all
-Practice Santeria (ok just put this in for a joke)
It simply depends on a persons circumstances, beliefs and level of responsibility.
The Amish don't buy Blue Cross, no one complains about them.
There are supposedly Christian religions who refuse to allow their members to receive what most would consider "appropriate" or professional medical care (these often end up in court when the kid dies).
Certainly if a person is a member of a group (religious or otherwise) that chooses to self-fund or fund via contribution (premium kind of) for the benefit of members, if they feel comfortable with that arrangement and are willing to meet the somewhat more restrictive lifestyle requirements, why not? If benefits are actually paid and the association of members is not putting cost onto others who would not qualify, then have at it so long as it passes muster with the state regulatory agencies.
I think the more important point is that each person in the USA over the age of 18 be responsible enough to choose some kind of health care funding mechanism to protect the rest of the public from high costs associated with #4 above.
I find it interesting that in this new era of health care for everyone, we are seeing the same trend. Most of those 4X million weren't interested in paying for coverage before and they don't seem particularly interested in paying for it now (and PCIP is not terribly expensive).
On that note, I choose to go uninsured and have my backup plan as such.........................
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the "problem" is that we understand that share plans ARE insurance plans masquerading as non-insurance plans.
the only people saying otherwise are those with a financial interest in duping people to participate in these plans so THEY can profit from the misleading sales pitches
this bozo keeps coming by spouting out unsupported generalities but has yet to provide one iota of proof that these are not insurance companies. in fact, several state insurance commissioners have issued cease & desist orders for the sale of insurance by non-licensed entities. THAT is a FACT. So far, that is the only fact that has been presented here.
interestingly enough, bozo comes along now and brags about his goofy little share plans "do not guarantee payment" of any health related bills
well bozo - who in the world would want to buy into a program that does NOT guarantee payment?
a legitimate insurance company DOES guarantee payment - that's what the contract is all about.
the share plans also issue contracts - these contracts give rise to the presumption that the individual "participating" in the plan WILL BE REIMBURSED for medical expenses incurred.
why else would they join??
jeeezus.
yes that is meant as a sacrilegious statement. so sue me.
the only people saying otherwise are those with a financial interest in duping people to participate in these plans so THEY can profit from the misleading sales pitches
this bozo keeps coming by spouting out unsupported generalities but has yet to provide one iota of proof that these are not insurance companies. in fact, several state insurance commissioners have issued cease & desist orders for the sale of insurance by non-licensed entities. THAT is a FACT. So far, that is the only fact that has been presented here.
interestingly enough, bozo comes along now and brags about his goofy little share plans "do not guarantee payment" of any health related bills
well bozo - who in the world would want to buy into a program that does NOT guarantee payment?
a legitimate insurance company DOES guarantee payment - that's what the contract is all about.
the share plans also issue contracts - these contracts give rise to the presumption that the individual "participating" in the plan WILL BE REIMBURSED for medical expenses incurred.
why else would they join??
jeeezus.
yes that is meant as a sacrilegious statement. so sue me.
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