Nuts and Bolts of F.E.

[cds251]

I am not sure I would be wasting my time with "old" leads - UNLESS they are free.

You would be better just starting at 9am, picking a street and not going back to car until you have sold something.

Works EVERY time.

 

[theinsuranceman]

A recruiting slam from you?? What a shocker!!

You simply do not know what you are talking about on this.

Maybe they should go with you? Hmmm, I wonder is anyone wioth experience with Sr Life has posted any information on the forums?

I'm commenting on the info the poster posted.

JD...are you sure you are not an indirect recruiter for EFES? You are always defending them tooth and nail as if you were a recruiter.

All I know is my personal leads that are 6+ mos. old are given to a new agent to practice with after they have been trained.

How much should I charge my agents for leads that are 6 mos. -12 mos. old then? I mean....these leads were already paid for when they were generated. Now I should charge a new agent AGAIN for these old previously worked leads? Sounds like you are defending ripping off new agents. How is my logic wrong?

As far as not knowing what I'm talking about.......I was well into the game of FE went you were still making tires. I've just over 12 yrs. experience selling ONLY FE. And you have what....3 or 4 yrs. experience?

 

[tins]

Leads 6 mos.-12 mos. old should be free. Sounds like your upline is making $ off you from both ends as those leads were paid for already by another agent when they were 1st generated and fresh (6-12 mos. ago). Be careful with this upline. I wonder if all the EFES uplines rip new agents like this.

Greg, this post sounds petty.
Putting down another company will not make SL (or you) look any better. SL has a reputation of ripping off, not only their agents, but seniors that purchase SL policies as well.

 

[jdeasy]

I'm commenting on the info the poster posted.

JD...are you sure you are not an indirect recruiter for EFES? You are always defending them tooth and nail as if you were a recruiter.

All I know is my personal leads that are 6+ mos. old are given to a new agent to practice with after they have been trained.

How much should I charge my agents for leads that are 6 mos. -12 mos. old then? I mean....these leads were already paid for when they were generated. Now I should charge a new agent AGAIN for these old previously worked leads? Sounds like you are defending ripping off new agents. How is my logic wrong?

As far as not knowing what I'm talking about.......I was well into the game of FE went you were still making tires. I've just over 12 yrs. experience selling ONLY FE. And you have what....3 or 4 yrs. experience?

You can sit in a grage for 15 years and it won't turn you into a Cadillac.

The fact that you don't know what you are talking about is just magnified by the fact that you have been doing it a long time. You would think one would learn something in that time?

You certainly do not know how EFES conducts business.

 

[theinsuranceman]

Greg, this post sounds petty.
Putting down another company will not make SL (or you) look any better. SL has a reputation of ripping off, not only their agents, but seniors that purchase SL policies as well.

Don't know what SL, LH, Securus, Settlers, Balt. Life, or any other Co. has to do with this. I'm speaking directly about EFES and no other Co. (By the way, are you an EFES agent?)
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You can sit in a grage for 15 years and it won't turn you into a Cadillac.

The fact that you don't know what you are talking about is just magnified by the fact that you have been doing it a long time. You would think one would learn something in that time?

You .[/certainly do not know how EFES conducts businessquote]

I'm commenting about the post the new EFES agent made about paying for FE leads that are 6 mos.-12 mos. old.

Don't know what I'm talking about? JD I can run circles around your weak arguments.

I'll say it again....new agents are being TAKEN ADVANTAGE OF by uplines that charge them for old, been worked before leads. That mgr. is taking advantage of that new agent.

You didn't answer my question couple of posts above.....How much should a new agent pay for old, worked before leads that are 6 mos.-12 mos. old? Why did you avoid this question?

Few weeks ago you and others were ripping into Securus for selling and reselling old leads to their agents. That's the same thing as this EFES mgr. is doing to his new agent.

Are you sure you're not the "silent recruiter" for EFES?

 

[Justin Bilyj]

talk about taking advantage, Greg, when I called you when you first appeared on the forum, you were charging a hefty amount for leads and giving out the crumbiest contracts...

I have never seen a post of JD's asking for recruits, and he has a lot. Sticking up for your company is different than recruiting, easy to see, when your not being petty...

 

[theinsuranceman]

talk about taking advantage, Greg, when I called you when you first appeared on the forum, you were charging a hefty amount for leads and giving out the crumbiest contracts...

I have never seen a post of JD's asking for recruits, and he has a lot. Sticking up for your company is different than recruiting, easy to see, when your not being petty...

I don't sell leads. I did pre 2009 with voice broadcasting leads, but not since. They were only $15 apiece at that time, a real bargain, and were pre-qualified to have a bank account! I've NEVER charged an agent for leads that were over 6 mos. old...never. I've given them away by the 100's to my agents.

If I offered you a smaller contract...say 80% for ex., it's because either you were new to FE and I would have to spend extra time to train you (which takes away from my personal production time), or you did not bring very much production to the table. Can't remember which.

FE producers who have good production get better contracts, that's true everywhere, not just with me.

I'm not being petty, I'm speaking the truth about that EFES mgr. ripping off his new agent. You also sound like an EFES guy. LOL...they're starting to come out of the wood work now.

 

[jdeasy]

Don't know what SL, LH, Securus, Settlers, Balt. Life, or any other Co. has to do with this. I'm speaking directly about EFES and no other Co. (By the way, are you an EFES agent?)
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You can sit in a grage for 15 years and it won't turn you into a Cadillac.

The fact that you don't know what you are talking about is just magnified by the fact that you have been doing it a long time. You would think one would learn something in that time?

You .[/certainly do not know how EFES conducts businessquote]

I'm commenting about the post the new EFES agent made about paying for FE leads that are 6 mos.-12 mos. old.

Don't know what I'm talking about? JD I can run circles around your weak arguments.

I'll say it again....new agents are being TAKEN ADVANTAGE OF by uplines that charge them for old, been worked before leads. That mgr. is taking advantage of that new agent.

You didn't answer my question couple of posts above.....How much should a new agent pay for old, worked before leads that are 6 mos.-12 mos. old? Why did you avoid this question?

Few weeks ago you and others were ripping into Securus for selling and reselling old leads to their agents. That's the same thing as this EFES mgr. is doing to his new agent.

Are you sure you're not the "silent recruiter" for EFES?

I don't know how much one should pay for them. But, the manager is not having him or anyone buy them. It's an option to buy old lead from EFES. And many of those old leads have not ever been worked. I bought some old lead lead a few months ago that had never been worked. Some were over a year old, some were over 2 years old. I paid $3 each for them. I bought about 12 of them. I did over $3000 business on them. No one made me buy them. It's always an option at EFES to go through the old leads and buy them if you want. Sometimes the do give them to me. Sometimes they run a 2 for 1 special on them. It's still always the agent's choice as to whether to buy them or not.

That's what I mean by saying you simply do not know what you are talking about.

You are just simply trying to use something you know nothing about to hurt EFES recruiting.

And, you can't fool anyone by calling me a recruiter. many right here on this board will tell you that they have contaced me in order for me to work with them and for me to be their upline at EFES. I always refer them elsewhere.

As someone else told you already, you cannot lift your recruiting efforts by trying to bring others down. Life doesn't work that way. Som much for all that knowledge you have gained from vast experience.

 

[tins]

You also sound like an EFES guy.

Everybody that critcizes or disagrees with Greg must work with EFES.

 

[jdeasy]

I don't sell leads. I did pre 2009 with voice broadcasting leads, but not since. They were only $15 apiece at that time, a real bargain, and were pre-qualified to have a bank account! I've NEVER charged an agent for leads that were over 6 mos. old...never. I've given them away by the 100's to my agents.

If I offered you a smaller contract...say 80% for ex., it's because either you were new to FE and I would have to spend extra time to train you (which takes away from my personal production time), or you did not bring very much production to the table. Can't remember which.

FE producers who have good production get better contracts, that's true everywhere, not just with me.

I'm not being petty, I'm speaking the truth about that EFES mgr. ripping off his new agent. You also sound like an EFES guy. LOL...they're starting to come out of the wood work now.

How can you speak the truth when you have no clue about the truth? You wouldn't know the truth if it smacked you upside the head.
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Everybody that critcizes or disagrees with Greg must work with EFES.

They didn't name the Gregger Award after him for no reason.