Pacesetter Advantage ?

[20th Maine]

More than that. I've written over 300 life applications every year I've been in the business. Only one year was it $300K AP.

I cant fathom that

No one will talk about anything from the week before thanksgiving til week after new years, And take a couple of weeks off to rest in the summer

42 weeks, 210 days, 1.5 apps a day? I dont see how thats possible. Not to someone not from planet Krypton

 

[20th Maine]

Ok so NO ONE knows or is contracted with Pacesetter Advantage?

 

[DonP]

DonP is the resident sky is falling guy.

I know who that guy he's referencing is and he does claim to have done $400K DK'ing. I don't believe it. But even he says it was a mixture of products. Not just FE.

And even if true, he did it one time.

I'm talking listening and being trained by an agent that has done what you want to do at a high level for years on end. Matt Kuhn is one of those agents.

If Matt is their trainer you would do well to follow what he says and ignore everyone else.

lol for a guy who the sky is falling I sure as heck write as many combined mapd/fe apps as anyone in the country . So that sky be a falling . Your boy Frumptom had Dusty on his podcast. I see he wrote over 200 mapd over aep with IFG so he’s legit.See if Jd doesn’t know the guy he’s not legit . That’s Hilarious as 90% of the top agents in the us never get on the net or they write 10 different co’s and don’t make the trips so few know who they are . I measure success by how much I net at yr end . That’s all the matters .

 

[jdeasy]

lol for a guy who the sky is falling I sure as heck write as many combined mapd/fe apps as anyone in the country . So that sky be a falling . Your boy Frumptom had Dusty on his podcast. I see he wrote over 200 mapd over aep with IFG so he’s legit.See if Jd doesn’t know the guy he’s not legit . That’s Hilarious as 90% of the top agents in the us never get on the net or they write 10 different co’s and don’t make the trips so few know who they are . I measure success by how much I net at yr end . That’s all the matters .

I do know who he is. And you are wrong on the 90% too. More than 90% of the top agents use only 2 or 3 companies. The "spreading it around" crap is just an excuse to not be able to provide proof of production.

And the companies do know who the top agents are. Even if that agent is not writing them. I got a call from one today wanting to know how they earn my business. I told them to lower their rates. They said, "other than that".

And you constantly count other people's money. Or try to.

If you would only concern yourself with you then you might get away from the sky if falling crap?

Doubtful, but worth a shot.

 

[jdeasy]

I cant fathom that

No one will talk about anything from the week before thanksgiving til week after new years, And take a couple of weeks off to rest in the summer

42 weeks, 210 days, 1.5 apps a day? I dont see how thats possible. Not to someone not from planet Krypton

If that's how you think then that's your reality. The month between Thanksgiving and Christmas is usually one of my best months of the year. As for 300 apps a year, I can name dozens of agents just with FEX that write that many applications every year. And it's not even a goal of mine. It just happens when you work every week.

I don't know about the 42 week year. I do take off the week between Christmas and New Year now. And a few days before Christmas. I take off Thanksgiving week too. I always earn at least one company trip a year. So that's 3 and half weeks off. Then my wife and I take another week private vacation. Then several extended weekends throughout the year.

Usually FEX has an agent trip so that's another week. Covid has killed those but I understand we are back on this year. So I'm still working 46 weeks or so per year. So that's a little less than 7 applications per week to hit 300.

Not a big hill for a fulltime agent.

 

[20th Maine]

If that's how you think then that's your reality. The month between Thanksgiving and Christmas is usually one of my best months of the year. As for 300 apps a year, I can name dozens of agents just with FEX that write that many applications every year. And it's not even a goal of mine. It just happens when you work every week.

I don't know about the 42 week year. I do take off the week between Christmas and New Year now. And a few days before Christmas. I take off Thanksgiving week too. I always earn at least one company trip a year. So that's 3 and half weeks off. Then my wife and I take another week private vacation. Then several extended weekends throughout the year.

Usually FEX has an agent trip so that's another week. Covid has killed those but I understand we are back on this year. So I'm still working 46 weeks or so per year. So that's a little less than 7 applications per week to hit 300.

Not a big hill for a fulltime agent.

Not MY reality. Everyone flips out as soon as Mid Nov. OH MY GOD ITS HOLIDAYS!!!!

Of course for me Im in AEP but it happens in any business. Happens to my buds that are in advertising, electrical supply house

Didn't say I dont believe you---I just know in this market I cant see it. And thats OK I dont wanna work that hard!

Still have yet to find one person that is contracted with them so thats concern

 

[jdeasy]

Not MY reality. Everyone flips out as soon as Mid Nov. OH MY GOD ITS HOLIDAYS!!!!

Of course for me Im in AEP but it happens in any business. Happens to my buds that are in advertising, electrical supply house

Didn't say I dont believe you---I just know in this market I cant see it. And thats OK I dont wanna work that hard!

Still have yet to find one person that is contracted with them so thats concern

We all get the holiday excuses. If you buy it they will have another one after the new year. Then in May it's, "school is getting out soon so I'll have time to talk". In June it's "school is out and I don't have time chasing these grandkids" That's just the nature of our market. Desk jockeys will tell you that FE is low face whole life with more lenient underwriting for seniors.

That's why they are desk jockeys. The FE market has very little to do with the product. It's a mind set. It's a way of life. People that don't do it will never understand what I'm saying. The FE producers reading this are nodding their heads in agreement.

When you know, you know. That's why it's imperative to get trained for FE by someone that knows FE.

You seem to like Pacesetter. Who cares who is with them. Call up Matt and have a conversation. If you're comfortable with what he says then give it a go. Just make sure they offer releases. If they don't release you would be a fool to sign up with them.

 

[20th Maine]

We all get the holiday excuses. If you buy it they will have another one after the new year. Then in May it's, "school is getting out soon so I'll have time to talk". In June it's "school is out and I don't have time chasing these grandkids" That's just the nature of our market. Desk jockeys will tell you that FE is low face whole life with more lenient underwriting for seniors.

That's why they are desk jockeys. The FE market has very little to do with the product. It's a mind set. It's a way of life. People that don't do it will never understand what I'm saying. The FE producers reading this are nodding their heads in agreement.

When you know, you know. That's why it's imperative to get trained for FE by someone that knows FE.

You seem to like Pacesetter. Who cares who is with them. Call up Matt and have a conversation. If you're comfortable with what he says then give it a go. Just make sure they offer releases. If they don't release you would be a fool to sign up with them.

Ok JD thanks

 

[NAF1138]

lol for a guy who the sky is falling I sure as heck write as many combined mapd/fe apps as anyone in the country . So that sky be a falling . Your boy Frumptom had Dusty on his podcast. I see he wrote over 200 mapd over aep with IFG so he’s legit.See if Jd doesn’t know the guy he’s not legit . That’s Hilarious as 90% of the top agents in the us never get on the net or they write 10 different co’s and don’t make the trips so few know who they are . I measure success by how much I net at yr end . That’s all the matters .

You spelled my name wrong, but yeah I know Dusty. I like Dusty. I would consider him a friend. Not close, but a friend. I'm pretty sure he's spending most of his time running a call center these days. Doing well too.

Dusty would be the first to tell most agents not to try to cold call to write FE. He did it because that's how he was trained (mostly writing spwl not FE) and we had him on the show because it was a novelty. But he knows there is a better way. We had him on to talk about that too.

I'm not sure why this was brought up, I mostly just wanted to point you you spelled my name wrong. Frumkin. Pronounced like you are getting a letter "from" your "kin"

 

[DayTimer]

Frumkin.

I loved your album when I was a kid. "Frumkin Comes Alive."