Pelosi Wants Government Run Plans

[moonlightandmargaritas]

I don't think all will be "in awe" but I have no doubt that you are... and having read several hundred of your posts to this venue... you should be.

How 'bout we compare who's got more clients?

 

[Guest]

How 'bout we compare who's got more clients?

How about we compare who makes more money?

Better yet, how about we compare who has greater integrity?

No. Let's compare who is in this biz just for the money and who really cares about the people?

Hey, lets compare who posts out in the open as opposed to who posts behind a cloak? Yeah, but that's back to integrity... and I'm sure you would not want to go there.

Just like Winter, when you are full of s--t, it comes out you ears Moon.

Go ahead. Tell us who you are, where you live, and the name of your company. You won't because you value being an asshole more than you value being honest.

I know it, you know it, this audience knows it, and I'm sure your two clients know it.

I guess what I don't understand is why, after all this time... after all these years of f--king with me, you still want to try to f--k with me... when you know for sure you are going to be f---ed over BY me.

It happens time and time again, but you never seem to learn. I can only guess that you enjoy it.

You and Winter are two of a kind. You should both get a room and a large tube of KY.

Al
Preserve your memories

 

[midwestbroker]

Who cares who has more clients or makes more money...that is irrelevant.

The fact is that our government is inefficient, spends money like they can just print more with no repercussions, and for the most part not trusted by the people they claim to represent.

What scares me is:

Let's say the government takes over healthcare. What will it take to make them admit they screwed it all up and bring private insurance back? How long do the surgery waits have to be? How many people have to die do to mistakes? How many Dr's have to leave?

How bad does it have to get before they reliquinsh control and/or at what dollar amount will they change their minds? $5 trillion? $10 trillion?

Plus, look what the government did with the tax code...you want your healthcare to look like that?

 

[ksigmtsu]

What scares me is:

Let's say the government takes over healthcare. What will it take to make them admit they screwed it all up and bring private insurance back? How long do the surgery waits have to be? How many people have to die do to mistakes? How many Dr's have to leave?

How bad does it have to get before they reliquinsh control and/or at what dollar amount will they change their minds? $5 trillion? $10 trillion?

Plus, look what the government did with the tax code...you want your healthcare to look like that?

Here's the bright side of all this from the citizens standpoint. The government currently spends 3 cents of every dollar on administration of the medicare program. The private insurance companies average 51 cents on the dollar. If you extrapolate that, even with the corruption that is sure to take place on the physicans end, the costs that are sure to rise because of the drastic increases in paperwork, ect, its still going to be very hard for the government to waste more than the private industry is, basically because of the lack of commissions and executive salaries. I don't really think that a single payer system is going to happen, but I don't see how its going to waste more money than our current system does. Right now we spend more gross dollars than any country in the world on health care, and provide care that is ranked at 26th or 27th worldwide, just below Cuba. We spend more than any industrialised first world country, and cover a smaller % of our population. For the money we spend on our health care per capita, if you took that same amount of money and used it to fund a single payer universal system, it would more than finance the system, with money left over. I hate the idea of cutting out agents, I'm sure there would be a ton of new job openings in administration of the government system, but it undoubtedly wouldn't pay as well. Just from the standpoint of a citizen though, I can absolutely see the potential benefits.

 

[Freddie]

The government has close to a $2,000,000,000,000 deficit, and it's growing every year.

Payments to Medicaid/Medicare doctors are 6+ months behind.

Government plans that require participation will be adding in the most unhealthy people, and those most likely to abuse care and WON'T be able to keep premiums low (for more than a year or two).

Unemployment is at 8%+, and instituting government-run healthcare would put another few million people out of work.


What about these scenarios make government-run healthcare appealing to any politician or citizen?

Unemployment is 8.9% but some say closer to 15%. 3.9% during Bush.

California may really go broke this summer. The Stimulus bailed out imploding liberal states temporarily. Just print more money.

California may go under this summer. They have been papering it over by selling bonds but that game is almost up.

Govt union workers and illegal immigration (endless benefits) is what are killing the state. The morons flee to neighboring states and bring their socialism insanity with them to infect new states.

The legacy of Pelosi, Boxer, Feinstein, Waxman and liberalism is bankrupt California. Ditto Granholm and Dems in imploding Michigan.
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How about we compare who makes more money?

Better yet, how about we compare who has greater integrity?

No. Let's compare who is in this biz just for the money and who really cares about the people?

Hey, lets compare who posts out in the open as opposed to who posts behind a cloak? Yeah, but that's back to integrity... and I'm sure you would not want to go there.

Just like Winter, when you are full of s--t, it comes out you ears Moon.

Go ahead. Tell us who you are, where you live, and the name of your company. You won't because you value being an asshole more than you value being honest.

I know it, you know it, this audience knows it, and I'm sure your two clients know it.

I guess what I don't understand is why, after all this time... after all these years of f--king with me, you still want to try to f--k with me... when you know for sure you are going to be f---ed over BY me.

It happens time and time again, but you never seem to learn. I can only guess that you enjoy it.

You and Winter are two of a kind. You should both get a room and a large tube of KY.

Al
Preserve your memories

Wow you disagree with someone and you have to resort to threats, insults, slander and then a creepy sex analogy? How sad and pathetic.

The liberal way. If you cannot make your point through reason you engage in attacks and insults. Liberals and integrity? LOL!

Looks like you lost this one. Enjoy.

 

[Winter_123]

Here's the bright side of all this from the citizens standpoint. The government currently spends 3 cents of every dollar on administration of the medicare program.

Most of the caluculations of alleged medicare effieciency are bogus as they would find out in a hurry if they were in a private business.

Efficiency in their model is calculated by dividing the cost of processing a claim by the cost of the claim. The medicare numbers always come out lower because the avegage cost of a medicare/elderly claim is about three times the cost of the average private carrier claim. In other words, the more you spend the lower your processing cost will be as a percentage of the aggregate claims. Spend even more money and it will be even lower. Nice if that is your goal to look good on that one metric. But it does nothing to hold down aggregate costs which should be the true goal. Neither does it do anything to root out the fraud.

Did I mention that Medicare has a 31 trillion dollar projected shortfall. How many more folks do we want over on that model?

 

[ksigmtsu]

Did I mention that Medicare has a 31 trillion dollar projected shortfall. How many more folks do we want over on that model?

Over how many years? I do remember seeing a projection of both social security and medicare that showed a shortfall of trillions of dollars if you extrapolated the data out to infinity and never raised the payroll tax.

I'm sure that Obama lowering the payroll tax recently probably made those numbers worse faster also. Not saying I think he shouldn't have lowered the payroll tax, just that it probably did have that effect.

My point still stands though, I will concede that you are probably correct that they would see costs increase over 3 cents on the dollar for administration. It would be quite hard for their administration costs to go up by over 1700% which is what it would take to get to where private industry was doing it more efficiently. The only way that could happen is if you could somehow convince the federal government to pay a government employed CEO a multi-million dollar paycheck, and produce a profit for their stock owners. Thats where the real savings would be had.

For all I care, make the system work on a multiple plan, single payer, options added plan like medicare is today with supplimental plans, keep the private insurers in place and offer a nationwide free base coverage, it will still ultimately drive costs down. More people in the pool = lower costs, no chance of adverse selection because everyone is included. Less costs even if you can place limitations of malpractice, and fix the "I don't have insurance so I'm going to the Emergency Room" problem.

The real argument shouldn't be that the nation dosen't need health insurance. The real argument should be, how can we do this and make it fair to everyone at the table including producers and medical professionals.

 

[midwestbroker]

We have national health care and a system in place they could fund more and have everyone covered...

I do not know about all states, but I will use KS and MO. Both states have a high risk state pool. Why doesn't the federal government fund the pool more to make the premiums come down, making it more affordable. Still cannot afford it? Medicaid.

Make those 2 work and then lets look at the rest of the nation...

 

[JMO Fan]

Medicare started paying more out in benefits than taxes taken in at the end of 2007. Obama is likely to see it go broke. It appears T-bills will be quietly issued to cover shortfalls in a few years.

Efficiencies in Medicare payouts are due to competitive contracts held by carriers. They're not government workers. If the industry were to disappear, efficiencies are likely to go with it.