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[Travis Price]

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Christian nationalism - Wikipedia

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I don't use words that I don't fully understand the meaning of prior to using them.

Just because you don't like the meaning doesn't mean I haven't taken the time to look at multiple sources from the right, left, and middle to form an objective understanding WHAT Christian Nationalism is and WHY it's against the idea of American values as I see them.

And my efforts to put context into meaning, for me, don't require you like what I rigorously backtest and question when new information becomes available to ensure that I have a reasonable understanding what I'm saying (or if I need to change what I am saying based on a perponderance of the information presented.)

Thanks for playing.

 

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[rmhaire]

I don't use words that I don't fully understand the meaning of prior to using them.

Actually you do.

On Jan 28th of last year, you posted in the senior forum that you were a verified socialist. (your words not mine)

That's the day the you lost all credibility with me and many others on here.

But we thank you for playing as well.

 

[goillini52]

it's against the idea of American values as I see them.

As you see them Lefty. Your values aren't my values.

 

[shonceman]

Christian nationalism - Wikipedia

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I don't use words that I don't fully understand the meaning of prior to using them.

Just because you don't like the meaning, doesn't mean I don't know what it objectively and factually means.

Thanks for playing.

It's not that I don't like the meaning. I just suspect that your definition is much more broad in who should be labeled as such. The Wiki definition you posted is not representative of most American Evangelicals or Catholics. Sure, there are actual Christian Nationalists. I just don't know very many, and neither do you. In reality, it's a relatively small contingent.

This imaginary Christian Nationalist threat is just the latest bogeyman invented on the left to stoke fear.

Besides, you're all Marxists.

 

[Travis Price]

It's not that I don't like the meaning. I just suspect that your definition is much more broad than the actual definition, as used by actual Christian Nationalists, which is a relatively small contingent on the right.

This imaginary Christian Nationalist threat is just the latest bogeyman invented on the left to stoke fear.

Besides, you're all Marxists.

Okay. So you're making assumptions based on absolutely nothing except your feelings.

30%, approximately, of the population either fully adhere, or are sympathetic to the ideas of Christian Nationalism.

A Christian Nation? Understanding the Threat of Christian Nationalism to American Democracy and Culture | PRRI

*To see the latest data on this topic, see PRRI's February 2024 report: "Support for Christian Nationalism in All 50 States: Findings from PRRI’s 2023 American Values Atlas." To view a PDF of slides presented at the February 8, 2023 click here: Understanding the Threat of White Christian...

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10% are full on balls deep. That's not an insignificant number. It's 33 million people. To put that into perspective, that's about half of Trump's voter base in the 2020 election... which was the largest turnout for a sitting President in American history.

Fundamentally, the Christian Nationalist idea that the US driving governance should be highly influenced by Christian Supremacy invalidates the founding idea of a pluralist governance. All men and women are not fundamentally equal under our system under a Christian Nationalist standard... and the numbers are significant enough to be a difference maker in elections at the local and state level, much less federally.

If you do not think that's a significant threat to democracy, you have the right to that opinion. With the evidence on hand, I respectfully disagree.

 

[shonceman]

Okay. So you're making assumptions based on absolutely nothing except your feelings.

30%, approximately, of the population either fully adhere, or are sympathetic to the ideas of Christian Nationalism.

10% are full on balls deep. That's not an insignificant number. It's 33 million people

Sorry, I was editing my post a little while you were responding. You may want to give it another look, although I didn't change it much.

I'm not familiar with your source for those stats. But you know as well as I that in the current environment statistics are easily manipulated.

But ok, let's go with those. So 70% don't agree at all with CN ideas? That's a sizable majority. Why would you feel threatened?

 

[Travis Price]

Sorry, I was editing my post a little while you were responding. You may want to give it another look, although I didn't change it much.

I don't know your source for those stats. But you know as well as I that in the current environment statistics are easily manipulated.

But ok, let's go with those. So 70% don't agree at all with CN ideas? That's a sizable majority. Why would you feel threatened?

I also edited my post to add more context.

Most federal elections are not nationwide elections. They're local and state elections. In elections where voter turnout is low, a centralized ideology that is fundamental to their core belief system is a threat to the majority... as they're turning out EVERY time... and most moderates, which is the largest group in the US, just want to live their lives and vote when they absolutely see threats or are highly passionate.

That's not an argument that everyone should vote every time or not.. it's just the reality of human nature.

 

[rmhaire]

and most moderates, which is the largest group in the US, just want to live their lives and vote when they absolutely see threats or are highly passionate.

Without knowing it, you just described what's wrong with America.

The Bible tells us to vote with Christian convictions.
The Bible tells us that our destiny is directly tied to the nation of Israel.
The Bible tells us that abortion is murder.

Need more?

You vote for your happy feel-good reasons and I'll vote for my children and grand children's future.