Public Health Care Option

[Crabcake Johnny]

Al - when you want to get a package some place overnight do you think of FedEx or the post office? Both offer the same service so why would FexEx be the first thing that pops into your head?

Truth be told, if we opened up mail to competition the post office would be out of business...which is why letters are not open to competition.

There is nothing the gov't can do that the private sector cannot do better. There is not a single example of it. Schools? Let me go take a peek at a few Baltimore city public schools.

That being said I'm partially on your side. Take med supps - issued by private companies but the benefits are mandated by the government. This way a senior can't get "screwed" onto a "Mega Life'ish" med supp.

I'd like to see the gov't get involved and mandate what the carriers can and can't offer. As it stands now almost every single health carrier takes advantage of consumer ignorance (think of any plan with "saver" or "right" in the name." That all needs to go away. Especially since those products are mis-priced to be profit mills.

 

[Winter_123]

(Let me ask this. Do young people still sign up for the draft? Would they get caught if they didn't? Do you have to show a draft card to get a job as it was back in my day? What if you couldn't get a job without showing a health card... which would be able to be verified by the HR gal via a simple web search?)

Al is an example of those who supported the lib programs that destroyed California but who are still trying to Californicate the rest of the country. They will support in a heartbeat the idea that someone should not be able to get a job in the future without demonstrating that they have a health card. However, if we require any documentation whatsoever to demonstrate that they are here legally they will sick the ACLU on you. It's part of the health care without borders program.

 

[Crabcake Johnny]

The illegal immigrant issue is the most insane argument around. If you're caught here illegally you're deported - period.

I don't find it to be any kind of moral issue at all. If you're not supposed to be here and you're caught you're out. Period. I don't see any gray area at all. You either are or are not here legally.

 

[Paradigm]

The illegal immigrant issue is not a moral issue its a legal one. They have no god given right to remain and it is not immoral to return them to the country and circumstances from whence they came.

The public plan is against the constitution as is social security and medicaid and all the other entitlements that have been set up by the friendly neighborhood feds. These powers were meant to be held by the individual states. Just as it is unconstitutional by strict interpretation to have a department of education; it is also unconstitional to have a national healthplan.

We however out of apathy or self interest have forgotten that we are governed by our founding documents not the vapid desires of Pelosi and co.

 

[Crabcake Johnny]

Lawmakers Won't Make Obama's Health Care Deadline

we'll be talking about this in 2010

 

[Winter_123]

In many respects the people of CA are far more conservative than Winter understands... and if "conservative" is the wrong word, at least try "moderate."

Al

Let me help you there. What you are saying is that you are beginning to realize that the people of CA are far more conservative than YOU understand. California is the land of Nixon and Reagan as well as the wackos in SF or of the SF mentality regardless of actual location. Pelosi, Boxer, Feinstein, Sheehan, etc are just one piece of the landscape - and they have their work cut out for them as Obamania is replaced by fear and frugality.

Now that you are beginning to understand that about Californians, the next stage for you will be to understand that that is true for the country as a whole. Socialism and Obamania aside, this is still a center-right country and, as I have said repeatedly, at some point center-right is going to meet obamanics in a head on clash, just as is occurring in CA now.

In the countless times that we have discussed this roundabout before, you have always interpetted it to be denial on my part and others that Obama won big and the dems won big. And, I continue to say that I recognize the Obama control factor fully and agree that it is a locomotive. And I can also agree that the dems are in complete control of the legislature in CA. However, the backlash in CA (and as you have said, the fact that it is not all as liberal as segments appear) and the backlash brewing in the country (because the country is also not all as liberal as some segments appear) are real factors to be dealt with too. Just as real as Obama winning. Your comments in the past have always been the rote "The dems won, get over it, and you all live in Alabama in 1958." Fine, maybe you and Pelosi can go on a little tour around the Golden State and explain that to everyone, and the national dems can do the same. See how it works out. You might run into a little of that "not so liberal" that you are beginning to notice there in Shangri-La.

What Obama desparately wanted/wants is a bill passed before August recess because he knows, as any *** would know, that Congress is going to get an earful when they are home, just as they did over the 4th. The Congress that goes home for recess will not be the same one that returns. The "folks" will be giving them something to think about.

Obama won overwhelmingly in CA, and the dems are overwhelming in charge of the Legislature too. No denying that. That is reality. Same on the national level. Brace yourself for some other things that are also part of reality. How about a few choruses of "Yes We Can" out there in CA. See if that helps the thousands who will have their programs cut in the next few weeks. Bring Barry out to have him to tell them they can accomplish anything as long as they have hope, and see how it works out after he tells them there is no money to go with the hope as with all his other programs.

Everyone is not liberal in CA. No shoot, Dick Tracey. You are about to find that out. As I have said repeatedly, martial law should be declared for the greater San Francisco military district. In addition, state computers should search the voter registration history of every CA resident. Anyone registered as a democrat should have their house seized and put on the block to pay for all the programs you wanted for the last thirty years. I am available to serve as Governor General of the SF Military District so just let me know. I know you guys like whips and chains so we might be able to put together a program you will like.

 

[Paradigm]

Ooops political reality has hit. The pendulum swung too far left now its swinging back. The conservative backlash will sink the dems just like in the early 1990's. The only question is who will be the next NEWT.

Good intentions are great! everyone is for them until they are handed the bill.

 

[moonlightandmargaritas]

The only question is who will be the next NEWT.

Maybe Rush Limbaugh...or Sarah Palin...or some other laughingstock?

The Republicans need to find a way to get in touch. They have become irrelevant, and are threatened with being extinct if they don't find somebody that excites the electorate (not just the religious nut-case right).

Bobby Jindal ain't it.

 

[Paradigm]

Maybe Rush Limbaugh...or Sarah Palin...or some other laughingstock?

The Republicans need to find a way to get in touch. They have become irrelevant, and are threatened with being extinct if they don't find somebody that excites the electorate (not just the religious nut-case right).

Bobby Jindal ain't it.

Eric Cantor

 

[moonlightandmargaritas]

Eric Cantor

A Jewish tax attorney? Mentsch?

While I don't care for lawyers, and Mitt Romney is a JD, I think he's got a better chance.

I wonder if he wears that "scratchy" Mormon underwear though...