Safeco's study "The State Of Women in Insurance"

[Markthebroker]

You are full of sh*t.

I have heard hiring managers in the insurance industry outright say they are not hiring any more women.... or limit the amount of women they hire.

Ive seen managers give men leniency they do not give the women in the office... from time off, to production requirements, to leads, etc etc.

Ive heard experienced agents who were supposed to be office mentors say they wont put in effort to help women producers.

Ive seen old white men walk out of meetings headed by women managers because "they had nothing valuable to say".

Ive seen trainers brush off womens questions as (not relevant) but answer all the mens questions in detail.

Managers say they spend less time with the women because they will fail at a higher rate than the men.

Ive heard managers talk about not hiring any of the "ugly" women who interview.

I saw a woman only get a few days leave after having a baby... but a man in the office was given a 2 week vacation the very same week.

After 15 years in the industry at multiple offices/agencies, Ive seen the bigotry and it is very much present. Your posts are just another example of it.

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And just because a women chooses to work a lesser job than qualified for... doesnt mean they want to work that job... they are often forced to work that job due to not being enabled to work their chosen career due to life constraints. (often constraints the career does not allow for)

One of my account managers chose to leave her career as a an attorney as it was too stressful. Chose to, not forced. One has a masters degree, but gave up on interviewing because it was "too much work" according to her. I have 20 years experience getting ahold of decision makers at businesses, and she declined to attempt any of the suggestions I gave her to get ahold of hiring managers. I used to consult with job hunters on how to find work. Her choice, not forced. I have another account manager that has a BA, I don't recall why she chose to work for us.

Personally, I had to sell off my retirement accounts and run up all my credit cards and borrow against my home to build my business doing the work all the aforementioned women don't "want" to do. That's a pretty serious goddamn hurdle if you ask me. A lot less than the female agency owner had to go through.

Who are these women you claim are "forced" to do things? What life constraints are you referring to? You mean like not being willing to work more hours, or move for work like men more often do? As far as me being full of sh*t, you will find almost every multifaceted study on the pay gap will reflect what I told you, which is where I got the information.

 

[Markthebroker]

My corporate experience was 10-15 years ago. So hopefully things have changed some.

But it was even worse 20-40 years ago. Ive heard stories from women agents who repeatedly had to fend off what was essentially sexual assault from male colleagues.... and it being joked about in meetings by other male colleagues who failed to see that groping a woman without permission is sexual assault... what do you think that did for their career advancement? How well do you think they sold insurance for the rest of the day after being sexually assaulted? How well do you think they sold insurance the day their manager publicly joked about them not appreciating being sexually assaulted? Or what about after the manager joked about her being on her period and being moody? Or publicly joked about her sexual life at home with her husband? etc. etc. etc.

15 years ago, agents under a certain manager in a certain NYL office were required to meet at a strip club for "lunch meetings". Female agents who sat in his lap and got a lap dance along with him were given actual leads, the ones who didnt got lists to cold call, the one lady who refused to meet there was written up... she ended up filing a lawsuit and eventually corporate did something about the situation.

And its not like just one older female agent Ive known had it rough. Literally every older female agent Ive really got to know had HUGE hurdles to overcome in being a successful agent that had nothing to do with the job... but were inflicted by male colleagues simply because they were a woman.

Besides what I have personally seen. What I have heard from womens actual experiences is much much worse. The older the female agent, the worse stories they have usually.

You've clearly heard a lot of stories.

I gave you several facts of how men are at a disadvantage to women which are supported by science and statistics, but it seems like you prefer stories and incidental experiences.

Treating women as equals is the shortest and fairest path to equality, and what I do in my mostly female office every day. Pretending they are the same is baseless and ridiculous. Equal - yes. The same - of course not. Treating a group of people as helpless victims is one of the worst things you can do to any group of people, and something I refuse to do.

 

[Markthebroker]

The stats are for the same job title. Not the same industry.

That being said, Ive seen some rock star agents who are female who outproduce 99% of men agents. But if you take the time to talk to them and they open up about their career, they often had more hurdles to overcome and hoops to jump through to make it to that level.

I was friends with an old (75+) female agent who was very accomplished. Had been an agency owner, regional manager, etc. She had owned an agency with her husband and they were partners. She once told me there was no way she would have made it to that level in the industry without having a "male partner" to help give her "credibility" among industry peers, especially on the corporate level.

So forget the stats and studies. Just talk to the women who are actually in those high level positions and ask them. They will tell you about the hurdles they faced, often enacted upon them by their male peers.

Why do you think female mortgage brokers and real estate agents make more than men?

 

[shawnmwalker]

I love how fast @Allen Trent got in line when a female @scagnt83 jumped into the conversation.

 

[Allen Trent]

I love how fast @Allen Trent got in line when a female @scagnt83 jumped into the conversation.

Keep those outdated bigoted opinions to yourself. You have no idea how either of us identify. It isn't like you are a Biologist, you are a mere insurance guru

 

[shawnmwalker]

^^^^^^OHHHHHH I 100% Identify as a Biologist!

 

[Allen Trent]

^^^^^^OHHHHHH I 100% Identify as a Biologist!

better check your E&O, pretty sure that is outside the scope of coverages

 

[vic120]

I love how fast @Allen Trent got in line when a female @scagnt83 jumped into the conversation.

????? Powerful female LOL


The bottom line is her argument is 40 years ago Yea we know a lot of that has been rooted out doesn't happen much today

and the other part of her argument was Female buis leaders are subject to stockholders who are interested in profit

I just have no desire to argue insanity

 

[shawnmwalker]

Under the "Professional Services" Definition it reads...."When acting as a Biologist..."

 

[tikibarrister]

^^^^^ I think the National pay discrepancy in the US is like 87 cents to a dollar. In Insurance its 67 cents to a dollar. So if 87 cents to the $ indicative to everything you state above. why the extra 20 cent discrepancy in our industry?

I don't know.

Also, I don't care.