Website Design Is Dead

[Crabcake Johnny]

Josh - not really sure what's up with you lately. Dunno. Don't care. I'm entitled to my opinion and you're entitled to yours. I'll always express my opinion and believe it or not, I'll be doing it without running it all past you first. If you have some kind of recent issue with me, be a man and call me up. I'm not a hard guy to find - 410-533-3111. Aside from that, stop acting like a spoiled infant anytime anyone disagrees with you. You're becoming an "internet warrior."

 

[Josh]

Josh - not really sure what's up with you lately. Dunno. Don't care. I'm entitled to my opinion and you're entitled to yours. I'll always express my opinion and believe it or not, I'll be doing it without running it all past you first. If you have some kind of recent issue with me, be a man and call me up. I'm not a hard guy to find - 410-533-3111. Aside from that, stop acting like a spoiled infant anytime anyone disagrees with you. You're becoming an "internet warrior."

Just to be clear on this, you believe that you're entitled to your opinion, but if I disagree with you and say as much, then I'm "acting like a spoiled infant" and "becoming an 'internet warrior'", is that it?

Since you've chosen to make these comments publicly (and in a separate e-mail), it only seems appropriate to respond publicly. If you'd like to take this offline then feel free, but I don't even see much point in having a discussion about it. The bottom line here is that I see you give out horrible advice and I think that some agents might mistakenly believe that you are the authority on all things insurance related based on your qualifications of having been licensed for a significant amount of time, spending more time on this forum than anyone else (at least by post count), and that you've ran at least one very large agent association and have started another. There are plenty of experienced agents on this forum that share their opinion and openly admit to the fact that it's just your opinion, but the arrogance in yours is overwhelming. To pick just one example, your position on releases from an upline. On the other thread you've claimed that the only reason an upline wouldn't grant a release except for unearned advances is:

simply a "If I can't have you then no one can" psychological game. It makes people who got beat up in high school feel powerful.

There are other reasons agencies don't give releases. There are multiple FE outfits that put their agents through a comprehensive training program that includes going out in the field with a trainer and providing them with leads and in order to protect their investment the 6 months waiting period is perfectly understandable. If an agent were to go through the training they provide and then take a pile of 50-100 leads, get a release, and the next day work the leads and take the business to another upline to get a higher cut I would consider that theft. An upline has a legitimate position that they'd like to invest in their agents success freely without having to worry about getting stabbed in the back like that. Now you and many other agents may disagree with that logic, but that's a far cry from it being

simply a "If I can't have you then no one can" psychological game. It makes people who got beat up in high school feel powerful.

I don't think you (or anyone else) should have to run what they post by me and I don't see anywhere that I've indicated as much. That being said, if you're claiming to be an industry expert and are providing such erroneous advice, I do think it would be negligent for me to not at least point out the other side of the argument. Whoever is reading this will come to the conclusion of who they believe has more credibility and in actuality they will most likely decide that we are both at least part wrong and come to the conclusion that the truth is somewhere in the middle.

 

[Crabcake Johnny]

I read you other post and your motives lately are now clear. I'm perfectly fine - taking the high road here. All is well - I just didn't know where you were coming from. I do now.

 

[YouGotMyMoney]

No way a $3k website would have performed the way a $13.5k website did. Sometimes spending "too much" for something is a *much* better deal. What if he had only spent $3k to make $2k, that's something that happens a lot. Plenty of agents make cheap websites that actually hurt their credibility.

B4 this thread ends up in the fight club...

If your gonna publicly post what you paid for anything, you got to expect some ridicule.

With that being said, if all he got was the website designed, no content--no seo--no links, then I'd have to agree that he overpaid.

 

[Josh]

With that being said, if all he got was the website designed, no content--no seo--no links, then I'd have to agree that he overpaid.

Let's look at this from another angle though: If all he got was a website, how would he have made $20k in 30 days? Furthermore, does it matter? I mean, if I could pay someone $13,500 and make $20k, I'd buy everything they had.

 

[YouGotMyMoney]

that's my point, he had to of gotten more than the site design for $13k, otherwise you can't attribute the $20k in volume to the site design.

 

[Crabcake Johnny]

It's not about spending vs return. It's about maximizing return while keeping spending to a minimum.

If I can spend $10,000 and return $50,000 then can I spend $5,000 and return the same $50,000? Good business owners research this.

You have to constantly measure. I see a lot of "everything is fine with my business - not changing a thing." What if you could make a few changes and double your profit? In order to do that you have to constantly research and measure.

 

[STIBROKER]

Like I believe what any insurance agent posts on the net about what they make.......hahahahaha....

 

[taterpeeler]

CAT FIGHT!!!!! you figure out why i said that..... brodrick.... brodrick.... brodrick....

 

[CHUMPS FROM OXFORD]

Simple answer here. Take advice from those that did it and can show you. Never take advice from someone who tells you how to do it, but can't use themselves as an example.

If I want to tell you how to sell insurance in Arkansas, I better have done it already. If I want to give you advice on website building, I better have a damn good one myself....right now!