Why Are Agents Rude....

[John Galt]

I remember being treated pretty rudely by some back before there even was a Final Expense forum. When I first started posting a few remarks about FE the regulars back then would blast you with nuggets like:

- Do you think life insurance is just an IMPULSE buy?
- You want to sell life insurance but you don't even want to boot up a lap top on your appointments?
- If people can't buy a "real" policy they should just put their money in the bank
- REAL agents don't buy leads...they create them. Agents who need leads are just Lead Jockeys and will never make it.
- There was even a long thread where one of the established "real" agents chastised me for calling people "Seniors". I was never going to make it because I was too dumb to know that no one wants to marketed to as a senior.

The internet has always been full of people who are too comfortable being ruder than they really would be in real life. But the good part of that is you learn what they are really thinking and what they are really like. In real life they just put up more of a front.

Scott, I hope every one of those Richards (use imagination and insert word) are reading this post. Outstanding. They can stick it.

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Don't know why it would be "at the expense of the rest of the forum"... If the FE forum is too rough and tumble or not professional enough, then thhey don't have to visit the FE area. They can limit their browsing to the Life Insurance, IUL, Annuity, Employee Benefits forums.

LOL, I get the feeling that "some" agents who will rename nameless look at the FE area kinda like a car wreck from a drunkard. They hate drunk drivers but are the first ones to rubber neck in the lane and back up traffic worse than a 100 year old outhouse at the first sign of a fender bender....kinda sick in the head if you ask me.

 

[scagnt83]

Ill take that comment as a "pimp" as a compliment cause "pimping aint easy baby" but Ill have you know I was a rabid poster long long before I ever even thought about offering leads...and then it just grew organically.

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Dude, Im honored.....Ive tried the olive branch, doesnt work in the FE forum

You say it better than I ever could. Of course I wouldnt expect someone who calls their clients trash and deadbeats to give a sh*t about being a professional.

Go pimp some more deadbeat press1 leads and "new government regulations" DM leads and stop stalking me.

And if an olivebranch is a profanity laced message calling me names, then yes, you have extended an olivebranch.

 

[John Galt]

You say it better than I ever could. Of course I wouldnt expect someone who calls their clients trash and deadbeats to give a sh*t about being a professional.

Go pimp some more deadbeat press1 leads and "new government regulations" DM leads and stop stalking me.

And if an olivebranch is a profanity laced message calling me names, then yes, you have extended an olivebranch.

Wow, tisk tisk, not stalking....reading and learning, isnt that what the forum is here for? Ignorance of another persons business is quite funny. Its always the ones calling for professionalism that lack it the most, toodles.

By the way, I sold over $150k this year off those "new government regulations" DM leads LOL, guess you consider all the guys in FE that run DM scabs

And dude, you aint gotta curse me, whats got into you?

Here lemme help you out, we really need to work on our relationship:



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Hi Thad! I'm doing great! Just "laying low" from posting on the forum,,,but I'm on here frequently browsing.

Summer??? or should I say stranger? How have you been? Hope you are doing well.

 

[scagnt83]

For me personally, I disagree.

If all the drama ceased to exist, I would still get the same level of interest off the Forum.

You can attest to it simply by looking at how I present myself, what information I provide totally for free, and how I've interacted on the forum for nearly 5 years, half of which was prior to when I started my recruitment agency and financially invested in the forum.

Not that I'm offended, but I find it ironic how, on one hand, you show your disgust for unprofessionalism, while you simultaneously categorize my interaction (of which has been 99% professional and not vindictive) on the forum as "pimping" and being so willing to paint with a broad brush.

Do you see where I am coming from above?

The comment was not directed just at you. But you benefit from the drama and added clicks since you now use this forum to promote your services. Plenty of comments have been made about how it "brings visitors to the forum"... and that benefits vendors who advertise.

You may not partake in the antics like others. But you tolerate, accept, and even embrace it more than others. You would benefit from higher clicks than the average member. Maybe that sways your view maybe it does not.


I agree. I can only account for my own statements, but I have always been respectful to people who ask simple questions and are looking for assistance. I have a larger-than-average ability to empathize relative to my peers, so I take no umbrage with people wanting help who also want to put that help into action.



It can be both. Look at the Final Expense forum. Where else will you find such a large collection of producers willing to share freely what they know about the business?

I am part of other forums for professionals and they do not act like people on this site do. If they did the mods would kick them out. People are actually there to learn and expand their knowledge. They are not condescended for typing more than 1 paragraph.

Producers Web has turned into a decent community with good info in it. There are disagreements there, but they do not devolve to jerry springer show antics.

What would you like to see different?

Been there done that. It is what it is until it isnt.

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[John Galt]

Producers Web sounds legit. Im gonna go and register over there right now.

 

[scagnt83]

Wow, tisk tisk, not stalking....reading and learning, isnt that what the forum is here for? Ignorance of another persons business is quite funny. Its always the ones calling for professionalism that lack it the most, toodles.

By the way, I sold over $150k this year off those "new government regulations" DM leads LOL, guess you consider all the guys in FE that run DM scabs

And dude, you aint gotta curse me, whats got into you?

Here lemme help you out, we really need to work on our relationship:


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Summer??? or should I say stranger? How have you been? Hope you are doing well.

Yeah, why let a few active investigations by Attorney Generals and DOI regulators get in the way of a little marketing?

If you want to pull your d**k out and measure it you will have to find someone else to play that game. I dont swing that way. Even if I did I have much higher standards when it comes to life production.

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Producers Web sounds legit. Im gonna go and register over there right now.

You should. Im sure you will be a valued member. I dont post there, just using it as an example in the insurance world. So you will not be able to stalk me if you do join.

 

[John Galt]

Yeah, why let a few active investigations by Attorney Generals and DOI regulators get in the way of a little marketing?

If you want to pull your d**k out and measure it you will have to find someone else to play that game. I dont swing that way. Even if I did I have much higher standards when it comes to life production.

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You should. Im sure you will be a valued member. I dont post there, just using it as an example in the insurance world. So you will not be able to stalk me if you do join.

There you go with the profanity again....isnt that against forum rules? Oh well, I dont care. Those paper pushers have nothing really better to do than to look for more ways to crush capitalism....you like that kind of stuff? Look lets start over.....there is no way possible you could be this hurtful every day of your life, lets network like Debby Boone bro:

 

[scagnt83]

There you go with the profanity again....isnt that against forum rules? Oh well, I dont care. Those paper pushers have nothing really better to do than to look for more ways to crush capitalism....you like that kind of stuff? Look lets start over.....there is no way possible you could be this hurtful every day of your life, lets network like Debby Boone bro:

Only to people who take joy in giving my chosen profession a bad name. You might be ok with being viewed as trash... I was raised better and take more pride in my life.

Regulations against misleading advertising (at least your brand of it) have nothing to do with "crushing capitalism". It is about eliminating deadbeats from the financial industry.

I make more than enough money from honest marketing. I dont need to lie and deceive to make money.

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Since you like music videos so much here is an old favorite of mine to have a drink to. You have a fun night.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eD8sf0BfM7M

 

[rousemark]

Looks like the FE forum shortcomings have spilled over into the Site Feedback Forum... Guess it is contagious.

 

[Rearden]

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The comment was not directed just at you.

For the record, you are confirming that your are justifying your unprofessional comment of relating my promotional activities on the sordid level of a "pimp."

Is that the type of language I should expect from a self-described professional bemoaning the negative behaviors of a select few forum members?

Please describe to me how that is not an example of hypocrisy. Again, I am not intending to personally attack you. I just don't understand how you can claim professionalism when you are lumping me, an otherwise observer of said unprofessional actions in the forum, as on the level of a "pimp," as such vitriol is not what one would expect from a professional.

But you benefit from the drama and added clicks since you now use this forum to promote your services. Plenty of comments have been made about how it "brings visitors to the forum"... and that benefits vendors who advertise.

Lots of unfounded hypotheses and assumptions, none of which you can prove nor can I prove, either.

All I know is that the Forum is indexed based on search-engine terms that relate to highly-visited content relevant to the purpose of the forum, which is to expand a knowledge base of final expense sales related content.

That's what drives people in in the first place. And like all social groups (as the Final Expense forum is one), they develop their own social mores.

While I am certainly do not embrace much of the virtual fistfights that occur, many of what is commonly thought of as "immature" or "negative," needs to be inspected for further review, and much of it is more like "tough love."

Nevertheless, I can only attest for my interaction, and I believe a positive, transparent, and non-negative interaction with members and future members is the most pleasant (and profitable) course of action for myself.

You may not partake in the antics like others. But you tolerate, accept, and even embrace it more than others. You would benefit from higher clicks than the average member. Maybe that sways your view maybe it does not.

If you are alleging guilt by association, then most certainly every time you log into the forum and read the comments from people you scorn for their bad behavior puts you on the exact level I'm at.

Your allegation is baseless. But once you cancel your Insurance Forum account and agree to never again visit the site, I will take your claim seriously.

I am part of other forums for professionals and they do not act like people on this site do. If they did the mods would kick them out. People are actually there to learn and expand their knowledge. They are not condescended for typing more than 1 paragraph.

Producers Web has turned into a decent community with good info in it. There are disagreements there, but they do not devolve to jerry springer show antics.

I will admit there have been some occurrences that have crossed the line where "tough love" could have been handled much better and with more professionalism in the Final Expense forum.

We really need the Fight Club back and in full force.