Why Are Agents Rude....

[rousemark]

For the record, you are confirming that your are justifying your unprofessional comment of relating my promotional activities on the sordid level of a "pimp."

Is that the type of language I should expect from a self-described professional bemoaning the negative behaviors of a select few forum members?

Please describe to me how that is not an example of hypocrisy. Again, I am not intending to personally attack you. I just don't understand how you can claim professionalism when you are lumping me, an otherwise observer of said unprofessional actions in the forum, as on the level of a "pimp," as such vitriol is not what one would expect from a professional.



Lots of unfounded hypotheses and assumptions, none of which you can prove nor can I prove, either.

All I know is that the Forum is indexed based on search-engine terms that relate to highly-visited content relevant to the purpose of the forum, which is to expand a knowledge base of final expense sales related content.

That's what drives people in in the first place. And like all social groups (as the Final Expense forum is one), they develop their own social mores.

While I am certainly do not embrace much of the virtual fistfights that occur, many of what is commonly thought of as "immature" or "negative," needs to be inspected for further review, and much of it is more like "tough love."

Nevertheless, I can only attest for my interaction, and I believe a positive, transparent, and non-negative interaction with members and future members is the most pleasant (and profitable) course of action for myself.



If you are alleging guilt by association, then most certainly every time you log into the forum and read the comments from people you scorn for their bad behavior puts you on the exact level I'm at.

Your allegation is baseless. But once you cancel your Insurance Forum account and agree to never again visit the site, I will take your claim seriously.



I will admit there have been some occurrences that have crossed the line where "tough love" could have been handled much better and with more professionalism in the Final Expense forum.

We really need the Fight Club back and in full force.

Have to say I have not see many posts in the FE forum that are more vitriolic than what has been posted in this thread.

 

[John Galt]

Only to people who take joy in giving my chosen profession a bad name. You might be ok with being viewed as trash... I was raised better and take more pride in my life.

Regulations against misleading advertising (at least your brand of it) have nothing to do with "crushing capitalism". It is about eliminating deadbeats from the financial industry.

I make more than enough money from honest marketing. I dont need to lie and deceive to make money.

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Since you like music videos so much here is an old favorite of mine to have a drink to. You have a fun night.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eD8sf0BfM7M

I didnt click your link so I have no idea what the video is, I on the other hand know how to post elementary "youtube" code on a forum so you can see without clicking....try it some time. Still name calling I see, thats fine, you sound like you are getting all worked up, whats wrong?

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For the record, you are confirming that your are justifying your unprofessional comment of relating my promotional activities on the sordid level of a "pimp."

Is that the type of language I should expect from a self-described professional bemoaning the negative behaviors of a select few forum members?

Please describe to me how that is not an example of hypocrisy. Again, I am not intending to personally attack you. I just don't understand how you can claim professionalism when you are lumping me, an otherwise observer of said unprofessional actions in the forum, as on the level of a "pimp," as such vitriol is not what one would expect from a professional.



Lots of unfounded hypotheses and assumptions, none of which you can prove nor can I prove, either.

All I know is that the Forum is indexed based on search-engine terms that relate to highly-visited content relevant to the purpose of the forum, which is to expand a knowledge base of final expense sales related content.

That's what drives people in in the first place. And like all social groups (as the Final Expense forum is one), they develop their own social mores.

While I am certainly do not embrace much of the virtual fistfights that occur, many of what is commonly thought of as "immature" or "negative," needs to be inspected for further review, and much of it is more like "tough love."

Nevertheless, I can only attest for my interaction, and I believe a positive, transparent, and non-negative interaction with members and future members is the most pleasant (and profitable) course of action for myself.



If you are alleging guilt by association, then most certainly every time you log into the forum and read the comments from people you scorn for their bad behavior puts you on the exact level I'm at.

Your allegation is baseless. But once you cancel your Insurance Forum account and agree to never again visit the site, I will take your claim seriously.



I will admit there have been some occurrences that have crossed the line where "tough love" could have been handled much better and with more professionalism in the Final Expense forum.

We really need the Fight Club back and in full force.

Well said Dave, I know no other person that has to use that many words to tell someone they are FOS And just think....we know each other.....does that make you any more unprofessional or professional? I THINK NOT!

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Have to say I have not see many posts in the FE forum that are more vitriolic than what has been posted in this thread.

No kidding, over here Ive been called a D**K, trash and some other homophobic comment about measuring man parts, YAK!! I thought for sure it might be different here, nope.

 

[GreenSky]

As soon as the main purpose of the forum seemed to change from helping each other to becoming an expert in {fill in the niche} and offer leads, training, etc. the forum went downhill.

These instant experts spend time here simply to get their link seen. I've advocated elimination of signatures for years but it would also eliminate a great number of posts and posters. And that would translate to potentially lost income for the ownership of the forum (opinion).

We've had completely illegal leads being generated and when I pointed that out I wound up 1) getting into an argument, 2) learning new cuss words over the phone, 3) being proven correct and still learning more cuss words over the phone and 4) being banned for awhile.

I offered lists for $20/K instead of the "chosen one's" $69/K. Same lists. Lower price. Wound up in a flame war and getting banned.

The forum has been taken over by instant experts. It used to be just in the FE forum. Now it's spilling over into Medicare.

Trying to help others here is pointless. The downside far exceeds the upside.

The forum is not much more than a marketplace for agents to sell their "products." 5-7 years ago this was a far different place with agents helping agents. Now it's agents posting simply to promote themselves. Get rid of that and we get rid of the other crap.

And yes, I am pointing fingers. And no, I won't name names. The banning which will likely happen eventually, will happen even sooner.

Rick

 

[DHK]

Why do others on these boards feel the need to be condescending towards others? We are all in business trying to making a living and for the life of me I don't understanding why if someone post on here, and you make think its dumb or stupid, the need to talk down to someone on a computer? I wonder if you speak to others that way, is that how you treat your clients?

Here is the thread in question:
http://www.insurance-forums.net/forum/insurance-cold-calling-forum/telemarketing-script-t79479.html

I wasn't rude. I pointed out the obvious within your own posting.

Do I treat clients this way? Of course not. I don't expect them to understand sales & marketing of insurance, whether it's final expense (which I'm told to stay out of ), life insurance, annuities, or P&C. It's about human interaction. Without it, we would all be replaced by websites - something that some people on this forum are already doing.

Sometimes the way to show someone the obvious, is to demonstrate absurdity by being absurd.

 

[Rearden]

As soon as the main purpose of the forum seemed to change from helping each other to becoming an expert in {fill in the niche} and offer leads, training, etc. the forum went downhill.

Are you suggesting that by me offering free final expense training without expectation or obligation of joining my agency in conjunction to my mostly value-driven Forum posts, as well as offering (totally free I might add) over 100 highly-reviewed final expense training videos on YouTube over the past year or two is the causation of the demise of the Final Expense Forum?[/quote]

These instant experts spend time here simply to get their link seen.

I can only speak for myself, but I enjoy the camaraderie, exchange of ideas, and interacting with the multitude of top producing final expense agents (of which none of the self-imposed prosecution against the FE forum has acknowledged as existing or acknowledging its resourcefulness to helping those so willing to learn this business).

Regarding getting my links seen or promoting my website, the Forum accounts for a small percentage of recruits I get. It is not as amazing a lead generator as one would think, as there is a TON of recruitment competition on this forum (and all of them do a fantastic job at recruiting and training, making the task that much harder, I might add).

Trying to help others here is pointless. The downside far exceeds the upside.

What exactly is the downside for you to give help or for others to ask for it? I know I don't contribute to the negativity and attempt to help others without obligation to any of my offerings.

The forum is not much more than a marketplace for agents to sell their "products." 5-7 years ago this was a far different place with agents helping agents. Now it's agents posting simply to promote themselves. Get rid of that and we get rid of the other crap.

Is that a criticism or an observation? I ask because I see two links to two separate products you are offering for a fee.

I imagine the Insurance Forum has tremendously grown in viewership and in new accounts over the past five years since I have been here. It has evolved (or mutated, based on your perspective) most certainly over the past two years.

However, I am not nearly as fatalistic as to the direction of where the "environment" has gone. There is a much higher level of idea interchange in the final expense forum vetted by agents that actually SELL final expense, versus a forum full of agents who "dabble" in final expense offering "expert advice," if not even selling it at all.

Which is why you get a lot of vitriol from the "In Crowd."

And yes, I am pointing fingers. And no, I won't name names. The banning which will likely happen eventually, will happen even sooner.

Rick[/QUOTE]

 

[WinoBlues]

Have to say I have not see many posts in the FE forum that are more vitriolic than what has been posted in this thread.

Ah,,, Hatfield v McCoys (fex v 360), fex v bboman, Thad v JD, Gooner v Newby, JG v , (may not be mentioned) v everyone, Unicorn v ,

 

[DHK]

Producers Web sounds legit. Im gonna go and register over there right now.

ProducersWeb is okay. If I was to define the agent demographic, it would be for term life, advanced life insurance strategies, and annuities.

I'm not sure if it's a place for the FE agent? However, that doesn't mean that you can't contribute articles for that particular market segment.

 

[rousemark]

Here is the thread in question:
http://www.insurance-forums.net/forum/insurance-cold-calling-forum/telemarketing-script-t79479.html

I wasn't rude. I pointed out the obvious within your own posting.

Do I treat clients this way? Of course not. I don't expect them to understand sales & marketing of insurance, whether it's final expense (which I'm told to stay out of ), life insurance, annuities, or P&C. It's about human interaction. Without it, we would all be replaced by websites - something that some people on this forum are already doing.

Sometimes the way to show someone the obvious, is to demonstrate absurdity by being absurd.

You mean to tell me that the thing that kicked this whole discussion didn't even have anything to do with FE forum or its "marketeers" ? It was a "life guy" on the cold calling forum????

 

[DHK]

Yep! *I* did it!

 

[rousemark]

Yep! *I* did it!

And to think.. You are a "professional" agent.. Not one of those uncouth FE fellers..